Wullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and fucked that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was shit at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. To be fair to him though Twente aren't usually one of those teams and weren't they more or less bankrupt when he took them over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. Yeah, same. I'm talking at least 7 or 8 who celebrated his departure. They're quite a weird lot, though, in fairness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and f***ed that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was s*** at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Of which FC Twente was not one tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and fucked that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was shit at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Yeah but they aren't one of them. The Eredivisie is the real star on his CV, to win that with Twente. His cup runs don't mean anything more to me than Graeme Souness's do. Don't forget that he went back later though and flopped big time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. It was definitely the case for all the Boro fans I knew. They did have respect for him and were thankful for what he'd done, but there was a feeling that things were on the decline badly and they were ecstatic that England took him off them, a bit like we were when Palace took Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Plenty at the ground still supported him blindly, but close to 0 on any forum I read backed Pardew. Seems like most Derby fans on their various forums think he had them playing really well and doing well. Until his lack of denials towards our interest took his eye off the ball and they went to shit (again Derby fans opinions not mine). I'm not going to let that make me believe he's a good manager. But I think it supports the opinion that he's much better than Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Plenty at the ground still supported him blindly, but close to 0 on any forum I read backed Pardew. Seems like most Derby fans on their various forums think he had them playing really well and doing well. Until his lack of denials towards our interest took his eye off the ball and they went to shit (again Derby fans opinions not mine). I'm not going to let that make me believe he's a good manager. But I think it supports the opinion that he's much better than Pardew. This is the view that I hear too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and f***ed that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was s*** at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Not sure Derby had the best squad in the championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 A quick glance at their respective CVs is enough to confirm that he's an insurmountably better manager than Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and fucked that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was shit at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Twente hadn't finished in the top 2 or 3 for years (if ever) until he arrived though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Howay man, not even the daftest of our lot would say we played good football under Pardew. We knew (and still know) the truth of what happened to the team under Pardew, why is it different for the Derby fans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Derby had the best squad in the Championship and he should have won that league by a mile. The man is a smarmy wimp and an Alan Pardew clone. Been sacked from every club bar Middlesborough because he took over the England job and f***ed that up. At Boro he had some really good players, Hasslebank Juhninio (can't spell it) Southgate and others. He was s*** at Forest and the Dutch league which he won is a bit like the SPL with only 2 or 3 teams with any chance. Not sure Derby had the best squad in the championship A damn sight better than a few of the sides who finished above them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. I work there so I've been asking around for a few months, general consensus is he was the best they've had and going to the match was enjoyable. I sound like I'm backing this appointment in here, I'm not, but he'll get the benefit of the doubt from me, he's done enough to warrant that imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Howay man, not even the daftest of our lot would say we played good football under Pardew. We knew (and still know) the truth of what happened to the team under Pardew, why is it different for the Derby fans? I was actually quite surprised when I had a look at the Derby forum. I saw hardly any negative comments and most seemed to think he'd done wonders for their club. How much of that was down to the owners investing in players I don't know, but they all seemed to think he got them playing good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. I work there so I've been asking around for a few months, general consensus is he was the best they've had and going to the match was enjoyable. I sound like I'm backing this appointment in here, I'm not, but he'll get the benefit of the doubt from me, he's done enough to warrant that imo. They were on the pitch throwing season tickets at him months before he left. Can't believe you're back on board with a bloke who's just had the bullet from Derby and Forest. I certainly won't be back while he's here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. I work there so I've been asking around for a few months, general consensus is he was the best they've had and going to the match was enjoyable. I sound like I'm backing this appointment in here, I'm not, but he'll get the benefit of the doubt from me, he's done enough to warrant that imo. They were on the pitch throwing season tickets at him months before he left. Can't believe you're back on board with a bloke who's just had the bullet from Derby and Forest. I certainly won't be back while he's here. I must be speaking to different people, either that or they're lying? Define back on board, I won't be setting foot in SJP until Ashley leaves. I'll be watching the games again, is that back on board? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He bowed to fan pressure at Twente and resigned the second time round didn't he? At least we know if it all goes to shit and people get on his back he won't cling on like Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Howay man, not even the daftest of our lot would say we played good football under Pardew. We knew (and still know) the truth of what happened to the team under Pardew, why is it different for the Derby fans? I was just answering the question of whether or not I subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, I do, if the fans in question aren't idiots If the general consensus from Derby fans is actually that he plays decent football then fair enough, I'll have to believe it when I see it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Either he will be big hit or he will be a big miss. All his spells are good or bad. Boro seems good, then England disaster. Then Twente Success followed by Wolfsburg disaster along with Twente again and Forest again disaster. Derby is a success. This show me he has 50-50 chance here. One thing for sure being a mate of Carr will give him one of the best chances. Players like Anita and Marvoux will get a new lease of life as well. It was too late for last year releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Did he actually have them playing decent football like? I never saw them under him but I'm just struggling to imagine it If you subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, then yes, he did. It depends who the fans are, we literally had half of our fan base beating the Alan Pardew drum up until last year. Howay man, not even the daftest of our lot would say we played good football under Pardew. We knew (and still know) the truth of what happened to the team under Pardew, why is it different for the Derby fans? I was just answering the question of whether or not I subscribe to the idea that fans know their own club better than anyone else, I do, if the fans in question aren't idiots If the general consensus from Derby fans is actually that he plays decent football then fair enough, I'll have to believe it when I see it though. Yeah, fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Most Boro fans I know couldn't wait to see the back of him. I work there so I've been asking around for a few months, general consensus is he was the best they've had and going to the match was enjoyable. I sound like I'm backing this appointment in here, I'm not, but he'll get the benefit of the doubt from me, he's done enough to warrant that imo. They were on the pitch throwing season tickets at him months before he left. Can't believe you're back on board with a bloke who's just had the bullet from Derby and Forest. I certainly won't be back while he's here. I must be speaking to different people, either that or they're lying? Define back on board, I won't be setting foot in SJP until Ashley leaves. I'll be watching the games again, is that back on board? Glad to hear it. Hindsight perhaps? Rose tinted view because of the cup? He was extremely unpopular by the end, mainly for his horribly negative football. http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/onthisboroday-2006-irate-boro-fan-8573275 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/bernie-slaven-steve-mcclaren-wasnt-6914404 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 It's understandable trying to rationalise this seemingly imminent appointment by looking at his CV and the opinions of fans from his previous clubs and saying he will get a fair crack of the whip if appointed, but the fact remains that it should never have come to this. Which other club this size whose owner has just come out two weeks ago to claim he wants the club to win something or qualify for Champions League football would even give 2015 Steve McClaren a second look, let alone crawl back to him after being rejected twice in the past six months? Yes, he is definitely better than John Carver (who isn't even a manager) and yes, he is probably even slightly better than Pardew, but this is another opportunity (same as in January) for Mike Ashley to wipe the slate clean and start afresh by making an ambitious appointment and giving that man some decent backing. There are plenty of good candidates, young up and coming managers with decent pedigree available and seemingly interested. Appointing Steve McClaren under these circumstances is a p*ss take, especially with the three stooges apparently remaining in place too. If this happens, the club deserve pelters, not "meh, could have been worse, I will give it a chance and see what happens". It's as clear a sign as you could have wished that nothing will change under this ownership until the fans collectively force it to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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