ponsaelius Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I think Marveaux was always going to 'come good' to some extent once he got that run of games. The worry with him is if another injury comes round and sets him back again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I think Marveaux was always going to 'come good' to some extent once he got that run of games. The worry with him is if another injury comes round and sets him back again. Yep, also if we can get him into the match enough, and he can be effective over the full 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Santon & Debuchy would be class wing backs, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Santon & Debuchy would be class wing backs, mind. Does Santon have the stamina for such a role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Not sure about a very one-footed Santon on the left mind. In a system with wingbacks you are pretty much dependent on the wingbacks to provide width. Santon is never gonna send in quality crosses regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 On the topic of wing backs i don't know if people remember this, but in their first few games together before disrupted by injury Santon and Debuchy were practically wing backs anyway. Their average positions were practically on the half way line, sometimes in Debuchy's case even further so not a lot changes there tbh. Honestly my main worry with that formation proposed is Santon and Tiote, Tiote because for a system like that i believe you need a better footballer and someone a lot smarter. Santon because unlike Debuchy he doesn't seem to know when to go forward and when to stay back yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Krul MYM Taylor New CB Debuchy Cabaye Santon Sissoko Ben Arfa Carroll Cisse Wiganball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Santon & Debuchy would be class wing backs, mind. Does Santon have the stamina for such a role? Course he does. The positional sense I'm not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 On the topic of wing backs i don't know if people remember this, but in their first few games together before disrupted by injury Santon and Debuchy were practically wing backs anyway. Their average positions were practically on the half way line, sometimes in Debuchy's case even further so not a lot changes there tbh. Honestly my main worry with that formation proposed is Santon and Tiote, Tiote because for a system like that i believe you need a better footballer and someone a lot smarter. Santon because unlike Debuchy he doesn't seem to know when to go forward and when to stay back yet. http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2012/8/16/1345137781598/Vurnon-Anita-after-signin-008.jpg Any particular reason why the majority of your posts are about Vurnon Anita? Are you him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Pardew's too fucking stupid to use Anita in the correct way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I was just asking. You seem to be going on about him all the time. Bit weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I was just asking. You seem to be going on about him all the time. Bit weird. I'm a big fan of Anita as well. He's a very good footballer who's woefully misused in this squad. I tend to bring him up in most discussions of our central midfield tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I was just asking. You seem to be going on about him all the time. Bit weird. If by all the time, you mean a discussion where, someone brought up his physicality and a good 2/3 people also discussed him. Then yup its proper weird. OOH BURN! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Much rather have Carroll come off the bench each week as plan B than Shola. Sign him up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He'd be an expensive plan B if his wages demands are high and Liverpool aren't willing to drop their pricetag on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He'd be an expensive plan B if his wages demands are high and Liverpool aren't willing to drop their pricetag on him. If he doesn't drop his wages to somewhere around what he was on before and Liverpool don't drop their asking price to £10m or below then don't worry, we won't be signing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 We only have one good player in the air. Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post. Agree that Cisse has a poor season so far but why bring him into this particular argument. The front post is a vital position when defending a corner. We should know, we always hit the oppositions. Didier Drogba was excellent at it, a real wall. Heck, even Robin Van Persie is very good at it. It can make a big difference to the number of goals conceded from corners imo. You normally want an attacker there because they are used to attacking the ball and not good at marking. Cisse is rather crap at it. Carroll is superb at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Crying out for him or a player like him in the first half especially. There's just no one to aim for who can make possession out of scrap using presence or force. I'd wager that we scored more headers from set pieces in his 5 months in the PL than we have in the 2 years and 3 months since. I'm not a huge fan of Carroll but this is so true and accurate. Sometimes you just need that "out" ball. Someone to relieve pressure, soak it up,hold it up, link it up, someone for the others to play off. Carroll is an Alan Pardew player all day. Someone to give it to and hope for the best. I'd rather have neither but if we have Pardew, might as well have Andy too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 We only have one good player in the air. Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post. Agree that Cisse has a poor season so far but why bring him into this particular argument. The front post is a vital position when defending a corner. We should know, we always hit the oppositions. Didier Drogba was excellent at it, a real wall. Heck, even Robin Van Persie is very good at it. It can make a big difference to the number of goals conceded from corners imo. You normally want an attacker there because they are used to attacking the ball and not good at marking. Cisse is rather crap at it. Carroll is superb at it. Why should he defend the near post in the first place? That is usually a job for one of the fullbacks. Cisse should be up front providing an outlet in the event of a counter-attack. If we have everyone staying back for corners, every ball we ping out will just come back in again inviting more pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post You're so bent, Dropout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Much rather have Carroll come off the bench each week as plan B than Shola. Sign him up Again, anyone who thinks he wouldn't be starting in an archaic 4-4-2 alongside Cissé is kidding themselves. It'd be another step backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post You're so bent, Dropout. Agree Cisse has his shortcomings but to blame him for our defensive corners. He'll probably be blamed for being a poor tackler next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 We only have one good player in the air. Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post. Agree that Cisse has a poor season so far but why bring him into this particular argument. The front post is a vital position when defending a corner. We should know, we always hit the oppositions. Didier Drogba was excellent at it, a real wall. Heck, even Robin Van Persie is very good at it. It can make a big difference to the number of goals conceded from corners imo. You normally want an attacker there because they are used to attacking the ball and not good at marking. Cisse is rather crap at it. Carroll is superb at it. Why should he defend the near post in the first place? That is usually a job for one of the fullbacks. Cisse should be up front providing an outlet in the event of a counter-attack. If we have everyone staying back for corners, every ball we ping out will just come back in again inviting more pressure. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I don't mean the man standing on the front post e.g. Kieron Dyer. I mean the man defending the front of the 6 yard box, normally the place attackers try to win flick-ons. You don't have fullbacks there because they are too short/weak in the air. It's normally an attacking player who is good in the air but poor at marking. Drogba was the best at it that i've seen. I think AC often does man-marking jobs from corners but i've seen him beast that role before. It's the #1 position in this graphic. http://www.grassrootscoaching.com/members/page.phtml?id=242&mid=240&lng=EN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post You're so bent, Dropout. Gotta be the most unusual argument I've heard for getting Carroll. "Cisse is crap at defending the near post on corners, need Carroll for sure." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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