JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What Pardew says there stacks up tbh. Exactly. Bar the transfer stuff at the end, it all adds up. It gives Carroll the opportunity to respond too, if it isn't true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What Pardew says there stacks up tbh. Sadly I agree Dave, the club's policy on transfers and contracts is hard-line and Ashley is immovable in his view that players should fall into line. He was never going to improve Carroll's contract again so soon after doing it the first time. As much as I don't like the result, the policy is clear and at least they have some sort of plan for how the finances are managed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peder75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He should've come back in the summer and ask for a pay rise, due to that his valuation has sky rocketed the last few months. Not do it on deadline day three month after he signed a new contract. It's just greedy. What we don't know is what bullshit his agent talked into his head the last few days though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What Pardew says there stacks up tbh. Everything he says sounds logical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Btw if you try to type 'Pardew' on a Sony Ericsson it stops you at 'raped'. lol LOL, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I`m sure there are certain players at the club that feel they deserve more wages than Carroll Who? You missed the part where i mentioned Ben Arfa. How well has Carroll played without Barton or Tiote in the team. What use is his Goals if Enrique isn`t defending as well as he is ? How many goals has Nolan scored ( Not saying for 1 second he deserves but he could say that ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 What Pardew says there stacks up tbh. agree, it all tallys with the "i was KIND OF pushed out", love the way it says the whole lot will be put back into the club, yes 30million for the wage bill 5 for transfers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The respected former chairman Freddy Shepherd: Former Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd has hit out at the man to whom he sold the club by claiming the club didn’t have to sell Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £35million. The striker claims he was forced out of St James’ Park but Shepherd said: ‘I signed Andy as a lad and it’s a sad day for Newcastle. ‘When I was chairman Liverpool tried to buy Alan Shearer and I refused point blank. It can be done. ‘If Newcastle don’t need the money then why sell him? A few weeks ago he signed a new contract and said he wanted to stay with the club forever. They should have said that as he’s just signed a new deal he isn’t going. ‘The trouble these days is money gets in the way of everything.‘Having said that, good luck to Liverpool. They’ve done a great deal. Andy Carroll will be England’s centre-forward for the next 10 years.’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why should anyone believe anyone over anything in football, pretty much everyone is dishonest in this industry and Carroll has quite a track record of being a bit of a pleb, he will try and cover his own back in this as will the club, we'll never really know the whole truth so it's pointless debating what really happened. I'm glad we took the money tbh the lad is hugely overrated and we could buy 2-3 far superior players with that cash. It's even more ridiculous when you consider we bought Ben Arfa for a 7th of what we sold Carroll and he has a track record of being a better player. Now we just need to reinvest and I think we will, we could quite easily spend 20m on a really decent striker in the summer and have a fair bit left over to get a couple Tiote-esque players (in terms of price not position) coming in as well, as long as we survive, which we will imo, then this will be a bigger step forward for the club. aye but what good is that on February the fucking 1st man? As has been said a million times, you can't play a big pile of money up front. We're not fucking safe from relegation yet. Now we've got to play out the rest of the season with a collection of piss-weak second rate strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why are so many of you believing Pardew, ffs? He'll be saying what Ashley and Llambias have told him to - the man is a patsy and was brought in for that very reason. Joe Kinnear all over again, without the swearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract. And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise. Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one. 2 months after his last major contract. Not even Man Utd or Chelsea give out contracts every 2-3 months man. What's to say he wanted a new contract 2 months after his last one like? Pardew has said he asked for new contract, see his interview. His deal with us wasn't even that good. If he had gotten this new and improved one, that would prob be the end of it. he had gotten a new improved deal a few months ago, whats supposed to be done just hand out new contracts every few months? Not saying that. But to keep hold of our best players we have to be up there with clubs like Tottenham and Liverpool when it comes to wages. Carroll was no where near those wages. Why should we attempt to compete with those teams in terms of wages OR transfer fees? This is a local hero, wearing the #9 shirt he probably dreamt about wearing as a kid. I'm sure after signing a new contract in October he was hardly earning a pittance. In this day and age it isn't a surprise to see players motivated by money, not a surprise, just a massive disappointment. However much I'd love to blame Ashley for this, let's be brutally honest, if we supported any other team and saw a still relatively unproven Premiership striker, with half a full season under his belt, several off-the-field problems and currently injured (under allegedly dubious circumstances), being sold for £35m we'd think the buying team were being robbed blind. Ask yourselves this: How would you all feel if Andy Carroll was a born and bred cockney, playing for someone like Fulham, adn we had just shelled out £35m for him? We'd be even more of a frigging laughing stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I`m sure there are certain players at the club that feel they deserve more wages than Carroll Who? You missed the part where i mentioned Ben Arfa. How well has Carroll played without Barton or Tiote in the team. What use is his Goals if Enrique isn`t defending as well as he is ? How many goals has Nolan scored ( Not saying for 1 second he deserves but he could say that ). You reckon Ben Arfa wants more money? The kid has been buckled most of the season. If he wants more money we will hear about it looking at his previous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why are so many of you believing Pardew, ffs? He'll be saying what Ashley and Llambias have told him to - the man is a patsy and was brought in for that very reason. Joe Kinnear all over again, without the swearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Because it all sounds logical, and what I expected to be true. I'm not going to go against my instincts in this. "That sounds logical, it can't be true!!! Pardew probably shagged Carroll's mum and was then forced to leave! LOL!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is, putting players on stupid contracts in the past is what contributed massively to our financial problems. No player is bigger than club, and we've had much bigger players than Carroll far bigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 People pick and choose what they want to believe based on what sounds worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How can Carrol get a 5 year contract then ask for a raise 6 months later. If he doesnt get the raise he will leave.... That not cool. He doesnt love the club. He loves the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 People pick and choose what they want to believe based on what sounds worse they want to believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That month staying at Nolan HQ was all part of the brainwashing him to LFC. NOLAN YOU ARE CUNT!!! I WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU!!! YOU MADE HIM LEAVE GEORDIE AGENT PETER HARRISON TO JOIN YOUR AGENT MARK CURTIS!!! YOU MADE CARROLL LEAVE NUFC TO JOIN YOUR BELOVED LFC!!!! FUCK OFF YOU FAT CUNT!!!! FUCK OFF!!! Off to work now, speak later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 @WarrenBarton (I'm on my phone so can't quote) The way we play, we don't need Andy Carroll and we've already proved that this month. He's the best of our striker bunch no doubt but his replacements are carbon copies in terms of style who can do a capable job imo. As I said in my first post we will survive, we're too strong defensively and in the middle to not win 4 more games or so. I'm still optimistic, we've got the likes of Ben Arfa and Ireland to come into the fold yet, who are exciting and productive players when on top form. We'll be fine and the club will move forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is, putting players on stupid contracts in the past is what contributed massively to our financial problems. No player is bigger than club, and we've had much bigger players than Carroll far bigger. A contract better than 30 k a week isn't necessarily stupid money you know. 30 k a week is, tbh, not enough for one of our absolute best players. Former players have nothing to do with this tbh.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 wouldn't have been that hard for the club to reject the Liverpool bids and say 'stick it out until the summer, we'll make it public you're for sale then'. I've little doubt we still could have fetched £35m. Their eyes simply lit up when the realised they could have £35m off Liverpool there and now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. Let's give hime more than 30 minutes, aye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. That is what I'm waiting to see happens in all of this. Carroll can easily tell his events of the story, though Carroll will have been brainwashed by his agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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