Tisd09 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Well I can account for being a Newcastle fan from Swansea, there weren't many of us in school but when you think back when we won promotion to the Premiership , all the bigger clubs had so much of an established support in Swansea, there are still masses of Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton and I hate to say it Spurs fans but Newcastle have a decent following. Martinez is a hero on a KK kind of level, especially after being club captain, though I do remember him taking a bit of stick towards the end of his playing career with Swansea it was kind of like flogging a dead horse (think Nicky Butt) but Martinez was much better liked than Butt so that helped him. The place is buzzing with the potential FA Cup 1/4 final against Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 in the past we've just for manager's with proven track record's and look where that has got us a young manager is something we need and could bring back much needed energy in the club, and the football he plays is excellent which is a requirement by some of our fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 in the past we've just for manager's with proven track record's and look where that has got us a young manager is something we need and could bring back much needed energy in the club, and the football he plays is excellent which is a requirement by some of our fans Just to pick up on this logic which I hear a lot; How many managers have we had that were 'proven' (to be good) (by reasonable standards) before coming to us over the past 15 years? Two or maybe three out of seven by most's standards (SBR (obviously), Dalglish (Championships at Liverpool and Blackburn, can't really complain) and arguably Allardyce (considerable long-term achievements with small clubs, I know many would disagree)) - the rest are Keegan (totally unproven), Souness and Roeder (proven to be bad) and Gullit (mixed - fairly unproven, with some bad points coming from Chelsea). Therefore, there's no sense in saying we should go for Martinez just because we've been trying the opposite in the past. Go for him because you think what he's doing is proving him, go for him because you predict he will prove himself with us - fine, but not because we should spin the wheel 'for a change'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 in the past we've just for manager's with proven track record's and look where that has got us a young manager is something we need and could bring back much needed energy in the club, and the football he plays is excellent which is a requirement by some of our fans Ruud & Ossie were young managers when they came to the Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 in the past we've just for manager's with proven track record's and look where that has got us a young manager is something we need and could bring back much needed energy in the club, and the football he plays is excellent which is a requirement by some of our fans Just to pick up on this logic which I hear a lot; How many managers have we had that were 'proven' (to be good) (by reasonable standards) before coming to us over the past 15 years? Two or maybe three out of seven by most's standards (SBR (obviously), Dalglish (Championships at Liverpool and Blackburn, can't really complain) and arguably Allardyce (considerable long-term achievements with small clubs, I know many would disagree)) - the rest are Keegan (totally unproven), Souness and Roeder (proven to be bad) and Gullit (mixed - fairly unproven, with some bad points coming from Chelsea). Therefore, there's no sense in saying we should go for Martinez just because we've been trying the opposite in the past. Go for him because you think what he's doing is proving him, go for him because you predict he will prove himself with us - fine, but not because we should spin the wheel 'for a change'. Funny, what you suggest not to do is exactly the defence given to the Roeder appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i think it would be good for football and his career if he stayed at swansea tbh, and i hope he does. except it would. managers can burn out quickly as well and if martinez left swansea now for a big club and failed it would be very bad for his career, look at ince who could well turn out to be a good manager. he has good conditions at swansea to play the football he wants to play and as long as their ambitions match his own he should stay (as he said). he's only 35, he has arguably another 35 years as a manager if he turns out to be a good one so why should he feel like he needs to rush straight to the premiership instead of learning the ropes at swansea and then going to a bigger club when he's taken them as far as he can. he will be given time at swansea, can you imagine many pl chairman sticking with martinez, a manager who has never managed a top flight team if after 8-12 months their team is struggling. it would also be good for football because one of the problems with the game at the moment is everybody is after a quick fix. if martinez is patient and recognises he has a long career ahead of him it would show not everyone in football is after to maximise their short term profit without paying attention to long term goals. I only care about NUFC. It was the bit in bold I couldn't understand. if we were to get him i'd rather we got him when we were more stable than at the current climate. if we got the club settled, with the books balanced and the chance to start afresh with a 5 year plan i would not say no, but we don't atm know how much money we have or if our owner wants us and our players don't want to play for us, and martinez, good though he may be may not command instant respect from pl players being paid 40-120K a week who have achieved a lot more as a player than he has. i wouldn't want us to sign for us and be chucked after 10 months and then go on to be a huge success somewhere else. i wouldn't say no like, but i'm not sure atm it would be in our or his best interests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Well I can account for being a Newcastle fan from Swansea, there weren't many of us in school but when you think back when we won promotion to the Premiership , all the bigger clubs had so much of an established support in Swansea, there are still masses of Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton and I hate to say it Spurs fans but Newcastle have a decent following. As a Newcastle fan from Port Talbot I can understand, in my time most other schoolfriend's supported Man Utd, Chelsea, Leeds, Everton, Liverpool or spurs (late 60's early 70's so mainly the same culprits), I can't understand why Swansea are not your first club to be honest, it would be like a Geordie supporting Real Madrid rather than his home team (the tragedy being Newcastle can be as big). Each to his own I suppose. My old step dad used to support whoever was top it would change through the season, Liverpool, Man Utd.... he even briefly supported Swansea in 1981 Martinez is a hero on a KK kind of level, especially after being club captain, though I do remember him taking a bit of stick towards the end of his playing career with Swansea it was kind of like flogging a dead horse (think Nicky Butt) but Martinez was much better liked than Butt so that helped him. The place is buzzing with the potential FA Cup 1/4 final against Man Utd. Not sure your right there, most I knew were crying for him to be playing, although he was slowing his head was still there. The problem was as club captain he had a disagreement with Jacket on how we should be playing. Martinez wanted us to play as we do know and Jacket believed in big physical players with a strong engine and getting the ball to the front guys as quick as possible. The fateful day in most people's eyes was an away game against promotion competitors Southend just before Xmas, we were in the top 3 and had been playing well and Jacket dropped Martinez and played Owain Tudur Jones, we played the Jacket way and won the match 2-1. After that martinez rarely got a look in, even though after Xmas our fortune turned and we dropped out of the race for auto's (we managed to cling onto a play-off place which we lost to Barnsley). In the summer Martinez was gone. The following season we did a similar job to the previous year where we played well but started dropping, this time earlier, by the time Jacket decided to leave (pushed or jumped) we were in 11th/12th in free-fall. Then the board made the brave decision to bring in Martinez, who in a short time turned us around again but not quick enough to get into that last play-off place, we needed to beat Blackpool at home in the last game by something like a 5 goal margin, we went all out attack but lost 6-3 to Blackpool in what everyone talked about as the best defeat they had seen, Blackpool who were promoted that year were just too good for that tactic. (We lost the first game next season at Oldham 1-2, where like usual we outplayed them. The purist may say so we have lost 2 league games on the trot, we did win friendlies in between ). What he has done in a short time is fantastic, he has a gift of getting the best out of any player and he does not hold grudges, an example being Tate, who was punished for returning in the summer overweight (a capital sin gto Martinez), he was axed from the team but has improved significantly on his return in an out of position left back place. Its also significant that whenever we lose an important player, he finds someone to come in and we don't miss the other player (Bodde and Pratley would be an immence loss to any team in this league, as well as Painter). Anyway, hope Newcastle recover from this period quickly and keep away from Martinez for the time being at least The worrying thing at the moment is the fact that Ashley's fortune could be dwindling in this current climate, I hear JBB are suffering terribly as well, so Wigan must be suffering... Hate to think a 'Leeds' could happen in Newcastle.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I am a glory grabber, not the kind of one that supports Man Utd because my loacl team are shit, I am the kind thats mad and chooses Newcastle instead. Stayed with them though even during the shite that we are going through now I once was called a glory grabber on here then someone pointed out I was a supporter during the Gullit torture, so I was given the okay Still I admit that I should be supporting my local team throught thick and thin, there was only one school mate of mine who did the rest were Man Utd/Liverpool etc supporters with stories that their old man was from Manchester, or my uncle had trials with Liverpool blah blah blah. Its amazing how many of those same mates are all of sudden "Swansea till I die" I must admit I have taken a lot more interest in the Swans since last season, mainly because my boss has got 4 seats down the Liberty and I have had chance to see alot of the games, when I say alot its alot for me compared to my Vetch record which probably doesn't stretch 10 games. I am not going to challenge you on the Martinez thing I just seemed to remember the people I spoke with were fed up with him as a player towards the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 martinez seem's like one of a very few manager's that can coach players, something this club minus kk hasn't done this youth policy is useless without the right coaches and managers to nurture the talent they have, this is something i believe martinez could do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I wish Ashley scrapped his five year plan and put some one knowldgeable to put him a five year plan. Who created Ashley's 5 year plan? Wise or Mort? I don't trust both people to create 5 year plan. A manger like Martinez should creat long term plan and should be givin enogh time to excute that plan. It seems like we want an Artist but we want one kind of art how can his imagination to give us great art work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the world Souness - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Roeder - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Allardyce - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't think Roeder or Allardyce (the latter especially) are really poor managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the world Souness - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Roeder - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Allardyce - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. sorry, that may have been mis read, i didnt mean all fans were mongs, just the one's who are, wouldnt give him the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't think Roeder or Allardyce (the latter especially) are really poor managers. Roeder was a fucking wank manager - not only his time here, but his entire managerial career, have shown that. I liked Allardyce to start with and he had some decent methods... painfully out of his depth though. Didn't know how to spend money and didn't really know how to work with the players he had (which, tbf, was a very attacking squad). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the world Souness - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Roeder - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Allardyce - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. sorry, that may have been mis read, i didnt mean all fans were mongs, just the one's who are, wouldnt give him the time. Ah ok, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 martinez seem's like one of a very few manager's that can coach players, something this club minus kk hasn't done this youth policy is useless without the right coaches and managers to nurture the talent they have, this is something i believe martinez could do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Dalglish - class manager, did ok, fans give him no time Gullit - shite manager, did dhite, fans gave him no time in the world Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the worlduntil we finished 5th and the fans turn on his back. Souness - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Roeder - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Allardyce - shite manager, did shite, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. So its not fair but he's right. Im sorry but i disagree with most of that post, newcastle fans wont see the sense in this appointment becasue there are only 3 types of managers who are good enough for this club - the world class appointments, the local lengends and the flavour of the months. Martinsez isnt mentioned enough on match of the day to be considerd flavour of the month yet. No time - no chance to succeed. Out of the 8 appointments, in my opinion nufc fans have called it right 4 times, definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 he wouldnt get the time. From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Dalglish - class manager, did ok, fans give him no time Gullit - s**** manager, did dhite, fans gave him no time in the world Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the worlduntil we finished 5th and the fans turn on his back. Souness - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Roeder - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Allardyce - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. So its not fair but he's right. Im sorry but i disagree with most of that post, newcastle fans wont see the sense in this appointment becasue there are only 3 types of managers who are good enough for this club - the world class appointments, the local lengends and the flavour of the months. Martinsez isnt mentioned enough on match of the day to be considerd flavour of the month yet. No time - no chance to succeed. Out of the 8 appointments, in my opinion nufc fans have called it right 4 times, definitely. As far as lower league managers go, he pretty much is the current flavor of the month already. Just read some of the papers, the media wanking machine is in full swing. By the end of the season, I think he'll be high enough in status that even most of the "mong" fans will give him time. He's already being called "the next Arsene Wenger" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I don't think Roeder or Allardyce (the latter especially) are really poor managers. They are both terrible managers especially the latter. I wonder if Allardyce has taken his stupidly expensive backroom staff with him to Blackburn? Hopefully he'll soon be signing the players dumped on Newcastle, i.e. Cacapa, Barton, Smith, Viduka and Butt (extended contract during Allardyce's term here). Not that I'm trying to suggest that John Bond (Roeder's assistant) and Allardyce's son are connected in any way with Shepherd's son Ken or his brother Bruce in allegedly milking the club during Freddie's time as Chairman...while some of these were implicated in the BBC documentary about shady dealings, it's probably all a massive coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Every single manager we have had has enjoyed the support of fans by and large on those stands where it matters so it is literally bull shit to even claim that fans give so and so no time whatsoever. Big Sam's black and white army was in full voice at Stoke and while there were boos and dissent in a few matches before that most noticeably at home to Liverpool that was fans' way of saying we don't agree with your selections, or the level of performance, your tactics or the results and the media and some of our own fans (you know the ones, they are constantly on their high horse) often wrongly interpret that as "FANS DEMAND (insert manager's name here) HEAD" when in reality it isn't like that at all. Even Souness, the most universally condemned appointment we've ever had arguably enjoyed support he never really deserved. Yes there were sack him/he needs to go threads (and sentiment) on here and other forums regarding Souness, Roeder, Big Sam and even Kinnear but when did that ever materialise on the stands? Hardly ever. Back to the misinterpretation of boos and such, I can remember KK's decision to sub Martins being greeted with a chorus of boos, fans were not booing KK though or saying "hey we don't like you, we want you out" but booing a decision many obviously didn't agree with and while such level of "dissent" is usually derided or mocked or misinterpreted by the media, I personally find it to be a strength of fans' feelings for their club that no matter who is in charge or how well we are doing if there is something we don't agree with or see as good enough or beneficial to our club we will have our say and that's called pride in your club and passion for your club, sometimes it is misguided but that doesn't make it wrong of fans. There was no misinterpretation of the booing of the Martins subbing by KK from fans and media because a fans unhappy with manager story would never sell, it was KK after all. Fans shouting "you don't know what you're doing" at Big Sam wasn't fans shouting "we want Allardyce out". Most of the talk on the stands and in the pubs during those games under Big Sam was about how he had to change his ways to succeed here and not how we had to get rid... that kind of talk was mostly promoted on the likes of here and as we've seen with the whole Ashley and KK thing the views on forums are often totaly different to the views around Toon or at the match. Go figure as to why... I'm sick of this whole the fans are to blame attitude or this negative view of fans which not surprisingly seems to reside solely on forums. If we appointed Martinez he'd enjoy tremendous support on the stands as would any manager and indeed the team (6,000 away to Blackburn, cheering for NUFC every time Liverpool scored, Cardiff etc.). Of course fans place pressure on managers, players and the club and of course were Martinez appointed or whoever was selecting the wrong lineup, making major mistakes or had the team performing poor, fans will be the first to let him know and rightly so. Have the team playing well though and doing all the right things.... well there is no better place to be on a saturday afternoon if you're a manager. Ask Alex Ferguson who after the 4-3 win over Man Utd allegedly told Sir Bobby he's a lucky bastard to have us as fans. Any new manager will get a chance at SJP, fuck me even Souness did and no-one on the day he was appointed was happy, everyone was mortified but even towards the end only a handful dared to chant for his head and to be honest I myself never personally heard any of that although there was one banner at Man City. Taxi for Roeder etc. was mainly a protest against Shepherd and our shit season and not so much Roeder himself. NUFC fans are actually too patient and too fucking easy to please. No-one will ever stop fans from having their say though, not here anywhere. Booing and debating about all things NUFC is as much a tradition at this club as number 9s and not winning trophies. Read the history books, in the Edwardian days fans would buy fruit outside SJP to throw at the players if they didn't perform well enough. A vital 0-0 draw that had us on our way to winning the league was once greeted with boos and angry letters in the chronicle. SJP is to NUFC fans what the Coliseum was to the Romans, we take our fucking football seriously, too serious I know but hey that's NUFC for you and long may it continue. Wouldn't give him time or any manager for that matter... PS Both Dalglish and Gullit and their respective sides received a civic reception for failing to win the FA Cup. What was it that Henry Winter said about NUFC fans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Every single manager we have had has enjoyed the support of fans by and large on those stands where it matters so it is literally bull shit to even claim that fans give so and so no time whatsoever. Big Sam's black and white army was in full voice at Stoke and while there were boos and dissent in a few matches before that most noticeably at home to Liverpool that was fans' way of saying we don't agree with your selections, or the level of performance, your tactics or the results and the media and some of our own fans (you know the ones, they are constantly on their high horse) often wrongly interpret that as "FANS DEMAND (insert manager's name here) HEAD" when in reality it isn't like that at all. Even Souness, the most universally condemned appointment we've ever had arguably enjoyed support he never really deserved. Yes there were sack him/he needs to go threads (and sentiment) on here and other forums regarding Souness, Roeder, Big Sam and even Kinnear but when did that ever materialise on the stands? Hardly ever. Back to the misinterpretation of boos and such, I can remember KK's decision to sub Martins being greeted with a chorus of boos, fans were not booing KK though or saying "hey we don't like you, we want you out" but booing a decision many obviously didn't agree with and while such level of "dissent" is usually derided or mocked or misinterpreted by the media, I personally find it to be a strength of fans' feelings for their club that no matter who is in charge or how well we are doing if there is something we don't agree with or see as good enough or beneficial to our club we will have our say and that's called pride in your club and passion for your club, sometimes it is misguided but that doesn't make it wrong of fans. There was no misinterpretation of the booing of the Martins subbing by KK from fans and media because a fans unhappy with manager story would never sell, it was KK after all. Fans shouting "you don't know what you're doing" at Big Sam wasn't fans shouting "we want Allardyce out". Most of the talk on the stands and in the pubs during those games under Big Sam was about how he had to change his ways to succeed here and not how we had to get rid... that kind of talk was mostly promoted on the likes of here and as we've seen with the whole Ashley and KK thing the views on forums are often totaly different to the views around Toon or at the match. Go figure as to why... I'm sick of this whole the fans are to blame attitude or this negative view of fans which not surprisingly seems to reside solely on forums. If we appointed Martinez he'd enjoy tremendous support on the stands as would any manager and indeed the team (6,000 away to Blackburn, cheering for NUFC every time Liverpool scored, Cardiff etc.). Of course fans place pressure on managers, players and the club and of course were Martinez appointed or whoever was selecting the wrong lineup, making major mistakes or had the team performing poor, fans will be the first to let him know and rightly so. Have the team playing well though and doing all the right things.... well there is no better place to be on a saturday afternoon if you're a manager. Ask Alex Ferguson who after the 4-3 win over Man Utd allegedly told Sir Bobby he's a lucky bastard to have us as fans. Any new manager will get a chance at SJP, fuck me even Souness did and no-one on the day he was appointed was happy, everyone was mortified but even towards the end only a handful dared to chant for his head and to be honest I myself never personally heard any of that although there was one banner at Man City. Taxi for Roeder etc. was mainly a protest against Shepherd and our shit season and not so much Roeder himself. NUFC fans are actually too patient and too fucking easy to please. No-one will ever stop fans from having their say though, not here anywhere. Booing and debating about all things NUFC is as much a tradition at this club as number 9s and not winning trophies. Read the history books, in the Edwardian days fans would buy fruit outside SJP to throw at the players if they didn't perform well enough. A vital 0-0 draw that had us on our way to winning the league was once greeted with boos and angry letters in the chronicle. SJP is to NUFC fans what the Coliseum was to the Romans, we take our fucking football seriously, too serious I know but hey that's NUFC for you and long may it continue. Wouldn't give him time or any manager for that matter... PS Both Dalglish and Gullit and their respective sides received a civic reception for failing to win the FA Cup. What was it that Henry Winter said about NUFC fans? I agree, NUFC fans are generally very willing to give players a chance and in fact are hugely supportive on the whole. That said, it's probably the same fans singing the Shola song who will slag him off on internet forums when they can vent without being disruptive. Martinez or any other bright young coach should be given our support assuming the club have enough balls to appoint someone like this. Arsene Wenger came from Japanese football after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Swansea lost today the first one since November. His assessment of the deafeat was very frank and well spoted. I am not sure if the time is right now but one day this guy can be our messhia mark II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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