Llambias Q&A with Chronicle: OP updated with Thursday's articles

[AyeDubbleYoo]

These responses all tend to reinforce Ashley and Lambias's original standpoint - if they stay quiet, they get hammered. If they speak up, they get hammered.

 

You've hit the nail on the head there, Bob.

 

I've been saying that for months, there's very little they could have said that would have helped matters.

 

Quite encouraged by those new articles, that's about as much as we could expect any club to reveal. What they say about getting the losses down and not running the club on credit is also very timely.

 

[Dave]

Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer?

 

I wouldn't think so.

 

I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there.

 

Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January.

 

The problem is, someone else has to want them. 

 

And we've given two of them nice new contracts.

 

We could still get money for Ameobi, even if its £2m or so, while Butts contract is hopefully reduced at his age, it should be.

 

We can't though. He won't leave.

 

If Butt's contract is reduced, why didn't we reduce it to the point where he left anyway - getting us out of the enforced contract?

 

He might if he's told there's no future and a prem club came in.

 

I meant a reduction in wages. When his initial contract was signed he was offered a wages for 4 years, then because he'd be in his 30's another year was added but that is at a reduced salary, say 25% off, if he wants to take it. At the time we were signing a very good Nicky Butt from Manu, we needed to offer him a good deal in to his late 30's, i'm guessing the contract is arranged as such, it might even be the same for Viduka.

 

I meant wages too.

 

I just can't get my head around such a wanky deal. Whoever thought that up wants shooting, I don't care how good he was when he joined (not that good anyway).

[dcmk]

Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer?

 

I wouldn't think so.

 

I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there.

 

Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January.

 

The problem is, someone else has to want them. 

 

And we've given two of them nice new contracts.

 

We could still get money for Ameobi, even if its £2m or so, while Butts contract is hopefully reduced at his age, it should be.

 

We can't though. He won't leave.

 

If Butt's contract is reduced, why didn't we reduce it to the point where he left anyway - getting us out of the enforced contract?

 

He might if he's told there's no future and a prem club came in.

 

I meant a reduction in wages. When his initial contract was signed he was offered a wages for 4 years, then because he'd be in his 30's another year was added but that is at a reduced salary, say 25% off, if he wants to take it. At the time we were signing a very good Nicky Butt from Manu, we needed to offer him a good deal in to his late 30's, i'm guessing the contract is arranged as such, it might even be the same for Viduka.

 

I would imagine its the same pay as before.  Once past a number of games it is upto the player.

[thewellander]

An interesting read. I appreciate that he was trying to be honest about the mistakes they have made as far as communication goes, but the trick now will be whether or not they actually change their ways. We'll see.

[Dokko]

Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer?

 

I wouldn't think so.

 

I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there.

 

Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January.

 

The problem is, someone else has to want them. 

 

And we've given two of them nice new contracts.

 

We could still get money for Ameobi, even if its £2m or so, while Butts contract is hopefully reduced at his age, it should be.

 

We can't though. He won't leave.

 

If Butt's contract is reduced, why didn't we reduce it to the point where he left anyway - getting us out of the enforced contract?

 

He might if he's told there's no future and a prem club came in.

 

I meant a reduction in wages. When his initial contract was signed he was offered a wages for 4 years, then because he'd be in his 30's another year was added but that is at a reduced salary, say 25% off, if he wants to take it. At the time we were signing a very good Nicky Butt from Manu, we needed to offer him a good deal in to his late 30's, i'm guessing the contract is arranged as such, it might even be the same for Viduka.

 

I meant wages too.

 

I just can't get my head around such a wanky deal. Whoever thought that up wants shooting, I don't care how good he was when he joined (not that good anyway).

 

A lot of deals were structured like that a while back, can't see why its changed. It stops clubs having 33 year old ex amazing players on £4m a year. Wenger does it, offers one year reduced contracts for those over 30's, some take the hump and leave, others realise its a good deal at their age and stay.

 

In fact Butt has signed a deal since coming here hasn't he? makes even more sense imo.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Very little in that Happy Face post is actually contradictory and probably none of it is deliberately misleading.

 

Most of it seems to just be changing circumstances and events (i.e. Sam leaving) that we don't know the details of and/or who had knowledge of it at various points.

 

[Baggio]

Highlights of the interview include:

:: Derek Llambias apologising to Toon fans and admitting that the board's silence since Kevin Keegan left was wrong.

:: A promise to give the fans a voice at the club.

:: Predicting that Newcastle will lose millions this year but maintaining "we are not a selling club".

:: Revealing that Mike Ashley believes Newcastle can challenge for EVERYTHING within the next five years.

 

 

Guy certainly has a sense of humour, how would we do this then? 

 

Because Newcastle are a big club with a huge income, once the clubs outgoings are down to something sensible you would think we could be making £20 million profit every year which could be pumped straight back into the team, add to that the £20 million Ashley said he would put in every year (which he did put in last year) and you have a very healthy football club which can push back up to where we think we should be.

 

A few fans will jump off the bandwagon and cancel their 3 year deals that they signed up for on the back of Keegan but they will be back when the club turns itself around.

[KaKa]

Alot of what he says makes sense, and i think "fair enough",....... then i remember Joe Kinnear is our manager.

 

Dennis Wise has been confirmed as the director of football now.

 

This essentially means that the manager in place will have to be someone he is familiar/comfortable working with.

 

Hence the approach for Gus Poyet, which he confirmed, after Keegan left the club. Dennis is also very familiar with JK also.

 

If we bring someone else in this summer let's just hope he has some more impressive pals than JK who would be more willng to come in now things have calmed down at the club.

 

Someone like Deschamps for example.

 

 

 

So with your theory we're basically limited to Dennis's Facebook?

 

What a bloody mess.

 

It's a weird one.

 

Who knows? Dennis does seem to have some impressive contacts in football from his Chelsea days in particular, perhaps there were other promising managers he would have been happy to work with who didn't want to come in due to the uproar at the club at the time. Gianfranco Zola was linked at the time also I remember, but not sure if it was just the papers though. In hindsight that would have been a good move it seems.

 

Let's hope come the summer if need be we are thinking more along the lines of someone young and with promise e.g. DiMatteo rather than old and crusty like Venables.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

These responses all tend to reinforce Ashley and Lambias's original standpoint - if they stay quiet, they get hammered. If they speak up, they get hammered.

 

They don't get hammered for speaking or not speaking.  They get hammered for incosnsistency, for example.....

 

"The caliber of player we want to bring in is someone with a lot of Premiership experience or Champions League experience and they are in short supply. We are at a stage where we don't want to just bring players in to add to the squad, we want players who are going to be in the first team."

Chris Mort 02/08/2007

 

After which we bought Alan Smith, Geremi, Cacapa and Viduka who fit the criteria

 

"NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of midfielder Danny Guthrie from Liverpool.  The 21-year-old put pen to paper on a four-year contract at St. James' Park on Friday evening after the Magpies agreed a fee with the Reds."

NUFC 11/07/2008

 

"NEWCASTLE United have agreed a fee with FC Metz for France under-21 defender Sebastien Bassong."

NUFC 30/07/2008

 

"NEWCASTLE United have completed the signing of Spain under-21 striker Francisco "Xisco" Jimenez Tejada."

NUFC 01/09/2008

 

These happened a year later and fit perfectly with the below quote

 

"The truth is that Newcastle could not sustain buying the Shevchenko's, Robinho's or the Berbatov's. These are recognised European footballers. They have played in the European leagues and everyone knows about them. They can be brilliant signings. But everybody knows that they are brilliant and so they, and players like them, cost more than £30 million to buy before you even take into account agent commissions and the multi-million pound wage deals.  My plan and my strategy for Newcastle is different. It has to be. It takes time. It can't be done overnight. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We try and stay ahead of the competition. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don't cost the earth."

Mike Ashley 14/09/2008

 

[themanupstairs]

I thought we're already two years into the five year plan? Or are we now starting this five year plan from scratch?

 

Are they allowed to modify the original plan?

 

Is Kinnear in the new plan?

 

Wise up mate! He isn't exactly going to come out and say they're ditching JFK in the summer!

 

Absolutely love this smiley though....so i'm going to use it for the f*** of it 

 

They aren't ditching JFK though in plain to see mate.  Everything that has came out of the club in regards to the future has indicated that Joe is going to be there, this offer of a long term contract - that he won't sign yet but it's in his desk - a pretty big clue.  This ain't been rubbished by Newcastle.

 

He is here to stay, and in my view they have planned for him to be here in the next 5 years and 'challenging' like Villa ..because he works well with Wisey and himself.

 

when some people have an agenda, they can't see through the smog they produce when talking shit. tell me exactly why they would come out in public and rubbish the contract offer story? why exactly would they start handbags with the manager of their club, and quite possibly the only man lunatic enough to stay in this job at the moment?

[Liam Liam Liam O]

"I'm physically AOK"

Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008

 

“Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning."

NUFC 07/02/2009

 

Can't believe you included that.

[Happy Face]

Very little in that Happy Face post is actually contradictory and probably none of it is deliberately misleading.

 

Most of it seems to just be changing circumstances and events (i.e. Sam leaving) that we don't know the details of and/or who had knowledge of it at various points.

 

 

The changing circumstances are them fucking things up at every opportunity though.  It's not chaos.  A butterfly didn't flap it's wings in mackemland which led to a profit in the last two transfer windows and the threat of relegation.

[Guest neesy111]

Highlights of the interview include:

:: Derek Llambias apologising to Toon fans and admitting that the board's silence since Kevin Keegan left was wrong.

:: A promise to give the fans a voice at the club.

:: Predicting that Newcastle will lose millions this year but maintaining "we are not a selling club".

:: Revealing that Mike Ashley believes Newcastle can challenge for EVERYTHING within the next five years.

 

 

Guy certainly has a sense of humour, how would we do this then? 

 

Because Newcastle are a big club with a huge income, once the clubs outgoings are down to something sensible you would think we could be making £20 million profit every year which could be pumped straight back into the team, add to that the £20 million Ashley said he would put in every year (which he did put in last year) and you have a very healthy football club which can push back up to where we think we should be.

 

A few fans will jump off the bandwagon and cancel their 3 year deals that they signed up for on the back of Keegan but they will be back when the club turns itself around.

 

this, once the club can survive on it's own income that is when ashley will try to get more investment from other's and from his own pocket into funding the team

 

that is why aston villa were such a good proposition to buy as they had no debt

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I thought we're already two years into the five year plan? Or are we now starting this five year plan from scratch?

 

Are they allowed to modify the original plan?

 

Is Kinnear in the new plan?

 

Wise up mate! He isn't exactly going to come out and say they're ditching JFK in the summer!

 

Absolutely love this smiley though....so i'm going to use it for the f*** of it 

 

They aren't ditching JFK though in plain to see mate.  Everything that has came out of the club in regards to the future has indicated that Joe is going to be there, this offer of a long term contract - that he won't sign yet but it's in his desk - a pretty big clue.  This ain't been rubbished by Newcastle.

 

He is here to stay, and in my view they have planned for him to be here in the next 5 years and 'challenging' like Villa ..because he works well with Wisey and himself.

 

when some people have an agenda, they can't see through the smog they produce when talking shit. tell me exactly why they would come out in public and rubbish the contract offer story? why exactly would they start handbags with the manager of their club, and quite possibly the only man lunatic enough to stay in this job at the moment?

 

Especially when there now appears to be a perfect situation for Joe to move on in the summer and nobody lose face over it

[Disco]

Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer?

 

I wouldn't think so.

 

I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there.

 

Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January.

 

We've given two of them new contracts.

 

and Owen has one sat on the metaphorical table.

[Baggio]

Look who's back.

 

Thoughts on January, Baggio?

 

Not very good and disappointed that the money from Given didn't get reinvested, I wasn't expecting much after seeing the state of the clubs finances though.

 

I've just started working from home again btw which is why I haven't been on as if I do I won't get any work done, I was at the game Saturday otherwise I would have been on then.

[Happy Face]

"I'm physically AOK"

Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008

 

“Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning."

NUFC 07/02/2009

 

Can't believe you included that.

 

 

Whey Llambias is the one who installed a 62 year old manager with a history of heart complaints.

[Guest neesy111]

Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer?

 

I wouldn't think so.

 

I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there.

 

Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January.

 

We've given two of them new contracts.

 

and Owen has one sat on the metaphorical table.

 

that's my big worry as owen's best year's are right behind him now and he's got at most 2-3 year's left in the top flight with his fitness and injury record, and it could be that no-one come's in with an offer due to this and his wages

[Liam Liam Liam O]

"I'm physically AOK"

Joe Kinnear 22/11/2008

 

Joe Kinnear was admitted to hospital on Saturday morning."

NUFC 07/02/2009

 

Can't believe you included that.

 

 

Whey Llambias is the one who installed a 62 year old manager with a history of heart complaints.

 

New manager criteria: "Unless you can beat Oba on two laps round the field, you're not getting the job"

[NG32]

Actions speak louder then words, i'll give these cunts the benefit of my doubt for the love of NUFC BUT i need to see a major improvement with the whole fucking lot next summer.

 

Starting with a half decent fucking manager.

[Guest hobshobs]

Highlights of the interview include:

:: Derek Llambias apologising to Toon fans and admitting that the board's silence since Kevin Keegan left was wrong.

:: A promise to give the fans a voice at the club.

:: Predicting that Newcastle will lose millions this year but maintaining "we are not a selling club".

:: Revealing that Mike Ashley believes Newcastle can challenge for EVERYTHING within the next five years.

 

 

Guy certainly has a sense of humour, how would we do this then? 

 

Quite simple really. Keep heading in the direction we're going by buying players in the mould of Coliccini, Bassong, Jonas, Nolan, etc. Players who are prepared to give maximum effort and have a good attitude. At the same time move on the wasters who don't care - N'Zogbia, Emre, Luque and the likes.

[dcmk]

Highlights of the interview include:

:: Derek Llambias apologising to Toon fans and admitting that the board's silence since Kevin Keegan left was wrong.

:: A promise to give the fans a voice at the club.

:: Predicting that Newcastle will lose millions this year but maintaining "we are not a selling club".

:: Revealing that Mike Ashley believes Newcastle can challenge for EVERYTHING within the next five years.

 

 

Guy certainly has a sense of humour, how would we do this then? 

 

Because Newcastle are a big club with a huge income, once the clubs outgoings are down to something sensible you would think we could be making £20 million profit every year which could be pumped straight back into the team, add to that the £20 million Ashley said he would put in every year (which he did put in last year) and you have a very healthy football club which can push back up to where we think we should be.

 

A few fans will jump off the bandwagon and cancel their 3 year deals that they signed up for on the back of Keegan but they will be back when the club turns itself around.

 

Trimming the wage budget to make profit and using that to boost the transfer kitty has it's downfalls, as it limits us to a certain calibre of player in most cases. 

Also the club is going to be paying back Mike's loan as soon as we do start to make a profit. 

We will still have a flawed structure in place with people in charge that are 'unfamiliar' with the football world.  They believe Kinnear is the man for the future.  That is how we can challenge everything

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Very little in that Happy Face post is actually contradictory and probably none of it is deliberately misleading.

 

Most of it seems to just be changing circumstances and events (i.e. Sam leaving) that we don't know the details of and/or who had knowledge of it at various points.

 

 

The changing circumstances are them fucking things up at every opportunity though.  It's not chaos.  A butterfly didn't flap it's wings in mackemland which led to a profit in the last two transfer windows and the threat of relegation.

 

Even if that was true it would mean they weren't lying or misleading the fans at the time, so your original post would still be pointless.

 

I don't disagree that they've made some fairly big mistakes BTW, I've never argued otherwise.

[Dr Venkman]

I thought we're already two years into the five year plan? Or are we now starting this five year plan from scratch?

 

Are they allowed to modify the original plan?

 

Is Kinnear in the new plan?

 

Wise up mate! He isn't exactly going to come out and say they're ditching JFK in the summer!

 

Absolutely love this smiley though....so i'm going to use it for the f*** of it 

 

They aren't ditching JFK though in plain to see mate.  Everything that has came out of the club in regards to the future has indicated that Joe is going to be there, this offer of a long term contract - that he won't sign yet but it's in his desk - a pretty big clue.  This ain't been rubbished by Newcastle.

 

He is here to stay, and in my view they have planned for him to be here in the next 5 years and 'challenging' like Villa ..because he works well with Wisey and himself.

 

when some people have an agenda, they can't see through the smog they produce when talking shit. tell me exactly why they would come out in public and rubbish the contract offer story? why exactly would they start handbags with the manager of their club, and quite possibly the only man lunatic enough to stay in this job at the moment?

 

Especially when there now appears to be a perfect situation for Joe to move on in the summer and nobody lose face over it

 

i'm clinging to the hope that the contract talk was to get players to join us in january on the basis that he'd be here for a few years. that and the fact that he talks shit, is shit, and is now unwell are giving me hope.

[Dave]

1. The club have never dealt with Nusc we are not in discussions with them. We've tried and ended up inviting ourselves to the fans forum to discuss stewarding.

2. We have no interest in talking keegan if he thinks that's what were about then he really is clueless.

3. He goes on about us charging a fee yet to set up an 'official' club recognized supporters club every member has to be a season ticket holder (and then still pay)