Guest Mucky01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 "We inherited a mess" - check "Dennis is fab" - check "Mike spent <<insert another made up figure plucked from the air?>> that nobody knows about" - check Sly digs at Keegan - check Lies about NUSC - check Excuses based on not knowing about football (then get some fucker who does!!) - check Long term plans (so expect nowt) - check What a load of s****. That’s the strangest thing about Ashley, how can he from a sportswear retail background with a MD from a casino background (and a lawyer previously) think they can run a football club? Even though they know they have made huge mistakes, they still don’t get anyone in other than an inexperienced Dennis Wise – madness. One positive is the academy recruitment policy, but if that’s the “5-year plan” don’t they realise that a lot less than 10% of any EPL clubs academy become any good. And what happens in the meantime? Plenty of people have said that business is business, and it shouldn't be any different. Which is, of course, utter bollocks, and always was utter bollocks. How many other chairman come from football backgrounds though ? FS wasn't was he ? When Keegan wanted to sell Andy Cole, SJH thought he was mad but backed him 'as i'm not a football man'. He then however floated the club which ultimately caused Keegan to walk the first time, which was wrong of Keegan as he wasnt a businessman. Goes both ways imo. not in Ashley’s case, as he clearly knows nowt about football and nowt about the business side of football. He needs help AND soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 "We inherited a mess" - check "Dennis is fab" - check "Mike spent <<insert another made up figure plucked from the air?>> that nobody knows about" - check Sly digs at Keegan - check Lies about NUSC - check Excuses based on not knowing about football (then get some fucker who does!!) - check Long term plans (so expect nowt) - check What a load of s****. That’s the strangest thing about Ashley, how can he from a sportswear retail background with a MD from a casino background (and a lawyer previously) think they can run a football club? Even though they know they have made huge mistakes, they still don’t get anyone in other than an inexperienced Dennis Wise – madness. One positive is the academy recruitment policy, but if that’s the “5-year plan” don’t they realise that a lot less than 10% of any EPL clubs academy become any good. And what happens in the meantime? Plenty of people have said that business is business, and it shouldn't be any different. Which is, of course, utter bollocks, and always was utter bollocks. How many other chairman come from football backgrounds though ? FS wasn't was he ? When Keegan wanted to sell Andy Cole, SJH thought he was mad but backed him 'as i'm not a football man'. He then however floated the club which ultimately caused Keegan to walk the first time, which was wrong of Keegan as he wasnt a businessman. Goes both ways imo. not in Ashley’s case, as he clearly knows nowt about football and nowt about the business side of football. He needs help AND soon. Go on, indulge me, what should he be doing with the business side of football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer? I wouldn't think so. I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there. Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January. The problem is, someone else has to want them. And we've given two of them nice new contracts. Giving Shola a new contract is daft iyam, but I don't think they had any choice with Butt did they? EDIT: Unless you mean Harper No idea on the Butt thing, I still don't buy us not having any choice in the matter. What, so the deal and wages were already agreed years ago? Seems mental. Quite possibly true though. If you play..... we offer you..... although you'll be free to walk away if you want. Pompey had a similar deal with Kanu. If he played more than 20 games, then he was given the chance to sign for an extra year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer? I wouldn't think so. I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there. Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January. The problem is, someone else has to want them. And we've given two of them nice new contracts. Giving Shola a new contract is daft iyam, but I don't think they had any choice with Butt did they? EDIT: Unless you mean Harper No idea on the Butt thing, I still don't buy us not having any choice in the matter. What, so the deal and wages were already agreed years ago? Seems mental. Quite possibly true though. If you play..... we offer you..... although you'll be free to walk away if you want. Pompey had a similar deal with Kanu. If he played more than 20 games, then he was given the chance to sign for an extra year. Going back to the shola thing, does nobody else think that maybe its to make sure we dont lose him for nothing? Shola would interest a lot of Championship clubs, he wont be on a huge amount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Btw if we'd spent £8m on Johnson does that mean there would have been nothing to spend in the summer? I wouldn't think so. I think in the summer we will make every effort to get rid of a good number of players who just aren't worth what they are costing the club, and this will allow for more money to be invested on top of the £8 million currently sitting there. Many thought that would happen last summer. And this January. The problem is, someone else has to want them. And we've given two of them nice new contracts. Giving Shola a new contract is daft iyam, but I don't think they had any choice with Butt did they? EDIT: Unless you mean Harper No idea on the Butt thing, I still don't buy us not having any choice in the matter. What, so the deal and wages were already agreed years ago? Seems mental. Quite possibly true though. If you play..... we offer you..... although you'll be free to walk away if you want. Pompey had a similar deal with Kanu. If he played more than 20 games, then he was given the chance to sign for an extra year. Going back to the shola thing, does nobody else think that maybe its to make sure we dont lose him for nothing? Shola would interest a lot of Championship clubs, he wont be on a huge amount. I think it was more to do with Llambias not really knowing too much about the game & trusting Kinnear's word that Ameobi had a future here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 All this hoo ha, all they had to do was keep KK and have a modest spend of about 15-20m. They are making out like even that would have destroyed the club or summat.....Incredulous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mucky01 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 "We inherited a mess" - check "Dennis is fab" - check "Mike spent <<insert another made up figure plucked from the air?>> that nobody knows about" - check Sly digs at Keegan - check Lies about NUSC - check Excuses based on not knowing about football (then get some fucker who does!!) - check Long term plans (so expect nowt) - check What a load of s****. That’s the strangest thing about Ashley, how can he from a sportswear retail background with a MD from a casino background (and a lawyer previously) think they can run a football club? Even though they know they have made huge mistakes, they still don’t get anyone in other than an inexperienced Dennis Wise – madness. One positive is the academy recruitment policy, but if that’s the “5-year plan” don’t they realise that a lot less than 10% of any EPL clubs academy become any good. And what happens in the meantime? Plenty of people have said that business is business, and it shouldn't be any different. Which is, of course, utter bollocks, and always was utter bollocks. How many other chairman come from football backgrounds though ? FS wasn't was he ? When Keegan wanted to sell Andy Cole, SJH thought he was mad but backed him 'as i'm not a football man'. He then however floated the club which ultimately caused Keegan to walk the first time, which was wrong of Keegan as he wasnt a businessman. Goes both ways imo. not in Ashley’s case, as he clearly knows nowt about football and nowt about the business side of football. He needs help AND soon. Go on, indulge me, what should he be doing with the business side of football? how wouldn’t know how to “indulge” you about the business side of football, that’s the point, neither does Ashley, or haven’t you realised that yet? again, he needs help AND soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 We all know people make mistakes but they have made huge mistakes so far and I just can't bring myself to accept that they are going to be up to the task of running this club properly. I understand we are now paying the debt of a reckless former board but that doesn't compensate for the errors they have made. It's true, they can't win right now but it's all their own doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 The apology is much needed well accepted but also extremely late. The answer on NUSC was somewhat illuminating. As for the rest of the interview, Llambias really doesn't give us straight answers on anything. Look at how he answers the Wise question: yeah, he's director of football, we've known that for two years. Yeah, he goes out and looks for players, we've known that for two years as well. What we really wanted to know was what relationship he has with the manager, who has the final say on transfers. Is he selecting all of our targets and doing all of the negotiation? Or is he just a glorified chief scout? Are there separate transfer budgets? None of these questions are answered and instead we're given a bunch of form answers that are closer to truthiness than truth. I'll have to read the rest of the interview but for now I'm certainly less than satisfied. All this hoo ha, all they had to do was keep KK and have a modest spend of about 15-20m. They are making out like even that would have destroyed the club or summat.....Incredulous. The expression "modest net spend of 15~20m" pretty much shows what's wrong with the fans' expectations now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 What we really wanted to know was what relationship he has with the manager, who has the final say on transfers. Is he selecting all of our targets and doing all of the negotiation? Or is he just a glorified chief scout? Are there separate transfer budgets? To be fair, it looks like he wasn't asked for such specific information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 it's all a load of crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Part 1 of 4 isn't it ? Isn't it two? "...Get the Evening Chronicle tonight, as well as The Journal on Wednesday for the interviews everyone wanted..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 ameobi's not doing any harm by staying. he's not a big earner and we're potentially losing owen, xisco and viduka in the summer. and lovenkrands' deal runs out. and to be fair, he's done an ok job of being a squad member over the years. its the wages of owen, geremi, viduka, cacapa and smith that need to go... i must say, IF we stay up - im reasonably optimistic about next year (unless Kinnear stays, of course). Finally a chance to get rid of the deadwood and start again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. quite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It's always after the event with this lot & they continue to do what they want. Let's see if things do now change. One thing is for sure they keep rewriting history and what has been said. They still don't seem to have the first clue about running the club and what it means. Talk is cheap especially when you simply change tack every now and again whilst actions carry on unchecked. They have much to prove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 It's always after the event with this lot & they continue to do what they want. Let's see if things do now change. One thing is for sure they keep rewriting history and what has been said. They still don't seem to have the first clue about running the club and what it means. Talk is cheap especially when you simply change tack every now and again whilst actions carry on unchecked. They have much to prove. Agree with that. MA & DL are much like the bank bosses who think a simple 'sorry for the mistakes' excuses the contempt they have for their customers. Too little, too late. Cant believe they were unhappy with Mort's stance on talking to the press. It's not ike MA was keeping a low profile in Blu Bamboo or sitting in the away end. They will do what they like with their club and the sheep will follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. Man U will appoint a good successor to Fergie because I bet right now Fergie is invovled in identifying him and monitoring them over a decent time span. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Looking through his answers for a second time, they are just as uninformative and ambiguous as ever. They STILL don't get it. If what they are saying is true, they want us to be like Aston Villa and so forth, why not go a bit more in depth and explain to the fans what is going on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Who would you like to see come in next as manager NE5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Get back in your own thread NE5. nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. Man U will appoint a good successor to Fergie because I bet right now Fergie is invovled in identifying him and monitoring them over a decent time span. not necessarily. But it depends what you mean by "decent". Didn't Chelsea think they appointed a worthy successor to Mourinho ? Two appointments later, and this is an owner who knows about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 See my example above, I just know that people like Rich - as usual - will ignore it because it doesn't suit his "opinion". Like his mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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