tmonkey Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 That's just pathetic, Roger Kint. If you want to talk about avoiding points raised, how about you answer why Shearer, Dowie, and implicitly the club's medical staff have all said that Martins did not feign an injury prior to the Stoke game, and then explain why many of our fans are of the opinion that he did, and many more who will have thought it a possibility? Because they're all "idiots"? I think I was more disappointed in his attitude after the injury rather than doubting he suffered one. He gave an interview where he didn't sound like he fancied getting back on the pitch in a hurry. I accept he might have been shaken by the injury but usually players are counting the days when they can get their boots back on. This is what I'm trying to get at. Thanks for having a bit of common sense. It's acceptable if he was shaken on matchday, but 2 weeks or whatever it was? Did he have a punctured lung or something? Just seems so odd. I accept that I'm not a medical expert or know fuck all about the subject, but as a football fan you see those sorts of clashes every week, and normally a player picks himself up after a few minutes, or if he's unlucky has to go off due to a clash of heads/bad back/etc. But winded for a week or two? That's a rarity. It's entirely possible that he was genuinely injured because of the knock during that period, just as it's possible that he may have recovered a bit early but had the same family issues which he's been suffering from this season, so who knows. I just find it difficult to see how someone can't even entertain the notion that the injury may have been exaggerated to get additional paid time off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 If they think they know better than Shearer, Dowie and the medical staff that looked at him them yes they were idiots like you. Happy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 The numerous people who believe Martins may have feigned an injury the morning of the Stoke game don't pretend to know "better than" Shearer & Co. They just know that most managers will often protect their players, players who they need to give the benefit of the doubt as per the protocols of managing a team/squad, and will also avoid making baseless accusations in the media about their own players for which they have no proof. They know that some injuries can't be verified visually, or by scans, or x-rays, hence why the only option for a manager might be to accept what the player says. It's why players can often get away with feigning injury or exaggerating the time it takes to return from one, something which we all know happens in football (and in recent years has been reported at various times to be a problem at this club). So am I happy with your assessment of people who think Martins may have feigned an injury that day? No, I wouldn't say I am. You can believe whatever official line you want, that's fair enough, but to claim that any other view is "idiotic" is senseless imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Lovenkrands and Martins are professional footballers who worked very hard to get where they are. To suggest the latter woke up and decided he was scared to face Stoke is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 To suggest Martins was a hard working professional is ridiculous. Obafemi Martins gave a shit when Obafemi Martins felt like giving a shit. Half of the time, if he worked any less harder on the pitch he'd have fallen asleep in the centre circle. He'd have easily been a cracking player had he pulled his finger out more often. Stoke was another example of him sticking the finger firmly up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Say, what you want about Martins' work ethic (frankly these arguments were boring when he was actually at the club, so I won't go into them), but he clearly did not "feign injury" before the Stoke game. The guy was clearly dealing with a real injury in every game after Stoke, and was yet to fully recover well into the time with his new club. The idea that he was so scared of Stoke, he feigned his way into surgery is absolutely insane. As for Lovenkrands, I just remember that injury being pretty awful on the pitch. It was pretty serious wasn't it? Didn't he spend a decent amount of time in the hospital? I don't think either player faked. If you're going to fake, wouldn't you claim sprained ankle or something, instead limping through five matches (Oba) or pretending to die (Peter)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Quite frankly, considering we have a left winger who can't cross or shoot in Gutierrez, and a forward line up where he'd be behind Carroll, Harewood and Ranger you have to wonder what he's doing wrong? Or maybe he just doesn't want it enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? Rangers, Shalke and Newcastle had a decent pedigree in Europe duirng Lovenkrands playing career I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? Rangers, Shalke and Newcastle had a decent pedigree in Europe duirng Lovenkrands playing career I believe. None of them are the biggest clubs in Europe, not even close and Shalke is the only club he really failed to settle at. He has said he has settled in the area here and it's no surprise he has been struggling a little of late with his old man suffering from Alzheimer's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Which clubs would these be? exactly, what nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Touch of a rapist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 He's about the only player in our squad who can make those runs like he did for his goal. Fantastic movement. As well as a good pass from Jonas too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 First away goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Quality signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 He has a great movement, pace and a great finishing. Like the Michael Owen we should have had the last 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I adore Lovenkrands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Had never read any of this thread before today. By Christ, there's some proper shit in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Had never read any of this thread before today. By Christ, there's some proper shit in it. Aye, except for that lad who said he'd be lively in the Championship alongside a target-man, and score plenty of goals. Must be a right genius. /Ronaldo (He's scored a goal every 105.6 minutes this season, in all competitions. 11 goals from 16 starts.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Easily our most creative and prolific striker. Can score, assist, run, cross, head..... But surely we knew all this before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 He's deceptively good in the air like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thank fuck we signed him in the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Had never read any of this thread before today. By Christ, there's some proper shit in it. Hindsight is always a great leveller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 My bias made me think he'd score goals I hope it keeps up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 He's deceptively good in the air like. What does that mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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