Ronaldo Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 A symbol simply to honour the war dead? Yeah, what a fucking insult to the rest of us. Of course I'd support it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 If Germany have a 'remembrance day' and wish to display a symbol of respect for there dead innocent soldiers then why would you have a problem with that, Ozzie? In hindsight, this post from you looks incredibly odd now: It's all about the English/British national myth. Us vs The Continent. Battle of Britain. Agincourt. Blah Blah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 It isn't a valid point without a legitemate example. You're giving the poppy connotations it simply doesn't carry. Stop wriggling and face the question. If the German national team wanted to wear a symbol to honour their war dead, you'd see that as uncontroversial and support the idea? Actually, yes. Not all Germans were Nazi's, in fact I reckon there was probably a very high proportion of German soldiers, particularly in World War 2 who fought on the basis they were doing this for Germany, not Nazism. In addition to this, a lot of young lads died in these wars who were no different from our own, sold or pressured into doing their duty for the motherland or for the mother of the free. We haven't been a little angel of a nation either over history, but what we have done has driven us forward as one of the worlds greatest powers, despite our size, and now we can help countries develop themselves in the right way, as opposed to doing what we've done. The Germans done some pretty shitty things in the last century but it doesn't mean their soldiers were robots or monsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I live in Germany. Most people here would go apeshit if the national team wore such a thing, and especially if the players themselves were given no choice in the matter. It would be seen, in this today largely pacifistic nation, as a glorification of war. I'm sure plenty of other countries, probably including this one, would have plenty to say about it too. Not that anyone could possibly construe this as political or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I live in Germany. Most people here would go apeshit if the national team wore such a thing, and especially if the players themselves were given no choice in the matter. It would be seen, in this today largely pacifistic nation, as a glorification of war. I'm sure plenty of other countries, probably including this one, would have plenty to say about it too. Not that anyone could possibly construe this as political or anything. The Germans don't celebrate ones life, or even death you may argue. I've been to German World War cemetaries on the continent and their really eery. Each to their own though. Dozens of countries celebrate this, particularly the French, Americans and Canadians, and as far as I'm aware the Spanish too. It all depends on tradition and the individuals. They should be allowed to have it by choice not by force, similar to standing at football stadia. You should have the option to choose not being forced to do something because people at the top deem it to be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I live in Germany. Most people here would go apeshit if the national team wore such a thing, and especially if the players themselves were given no choice in the matter. It would be seen, in this today largely pacifistic nation, as a glorification of war. I'm sure plenty of other countries, probably including this one, would have plenty to say about it too. Not that anyone could possibly construe this as political or anything. I've never read such rubbish in one thread for a long time. About 10% of what you've said has any relation to the matter at hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 England: Hart; G Johnson, A Cole, Jagielka, Lescott; Jones, Parker, Lampard (capt), Milner, Walcott; Bent. Spain: Casillas; Arbeloa, Ramos, Pique, Alba; Busquets, Xavi, Xabi; Iniesta, Silva, Villa Spain must be shitting themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Slight mismatch there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Jones in midfield man, Capello is a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Silva injury please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Those teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Knife through fucking butter. Revising my prediction - Spain will win at a canter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 We are fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 is ashley young injured? EDIT* quick google = yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Are we wearing poppies or not then? Such a grand gesture from players who probably will be thinking of everything but those who have suffered during war, during the minute silence. Its strange (and sad) that poppies have become the be all and end all of Armistice Day. On the football side, easy Spain win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Well it's a good job that Cole and Johnson are so good at defending and not leaving loads of space behind them against Inesta / villa / silva... Oh wait this is going to be brutal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Are we wearing poppies or not then? Such a grand gesture from players who probably will be thinking of everything but those who have suffered during war, during the minute silence. Its strange (and sad) that poppies have become the be all and end all of Armistice Day. On the football side, easy Spain win. Was not I alone then in thinking Fifa had a point, if poppy is on shirt players have to wear them, it's a totally empty gesture if there's no player choice on it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Are we wearing poppies or not then? Such a grand gesture from players who probably will be thinking of everything but those who have suffered during war, during the minute silence. Its strange (and sad) that poppies have become the be all and end all of Armistice Day. On the football side, easy Spain win. Was not I alone then in thinking Fifa had a point, if poppy is on shirt players have to wear them, it's a totally empty gesture if there's no player choice on it anyway. Exactly, although I don't think that was FIFA's reasoning though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 That England team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Hart Johnson Jagielka Lescott Cole Lampard Parker Jones Walcott Milner Bent :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 The Phil Jones obsession going on at the moment is embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Are we wearing poppies or not then? Such a grand gesture from players who probably will be thinking of everything but those who have suffered during war, during the minute silence. Its strange (and sad) that poppies have become the be all and end all of Armistice Day. On the football side, easy Spain win. Was not I alone then in thinking Fifa had a point, if poppy is on shirt players have to wear them, it's a totally empty gesture if there's no player choice on it anyway. Exactly, although I don't think that was FIFA's reasoning though. Their reasoning was that if we get to wear poppies other nations, like ones in the balklands might demand to wear contentious memorials that could stir up trouble. Which isn't unreasonable imo considering that we get to wear armbands, have a minutes silence, lay a poppy on the ground first, have military attending etc etc to have a memorial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Who needs Xavi and Iniesta when you have Scott Parker and Phil Jones. We'll rape 'em. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 England: Hart; G Johnson, A Cole, Jagielka, Lescott; Jones, Parker, Lampard (capt), Milner, Walcott; Bent. Spain: Casillas; Arbeloa, Ramos, Pique, Alba; Busquets, Xavi, Xabi; Iniesta, Silva, Villa Spain must be shitting themselves Oh dear..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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