Man City

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

I have adebayor down as top scorer for a thing at work so hopefully he keeps this up.

 

Will probably get a ban after his antics yesterday though.

That player who celebrated in front of the fans while they were fighting in that West Ham v Millwall game wasn't punished was he?

[BlueStar]

I have adebayor down as top scorer for a thing at work so hopefully he keeps this up.

 

Will probably get a ban after his antics yesterday though.

That player who celebrated in front of the fans while they were fighting in that West Ham v Millwall game wasn't punished was he?

 

Although he might have to answer for that, I'm talking more about when he stamped on Van Persie's head and raked his studs down his face.

[GM]

I have adebayor down as top scorer for a thing at work so hopefully he keeps this up.

 

Will probably get a ban after his antics yesterday though.

That player who celebrated in front of the fans while they were fighting in that West Ham v Millwall game wasn't punished was he?

 

Like that means anything when it comes to footballing authorities handing out punishments. Consistency of approach isn't one of their known strong points.

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

Main feature on Football Focus right now.

 

Can't help thinking that there's a fair few amongst the Geordie faithful who wouldn't be batting an eyelid were we to be in the shoes of Citeh fans right now, rather than expressing their abhorrence of the way money is corrupting the beautiful game.

 

Our current predicament seems in a strange sort of way to be helping people see things in a different light now, but go back three or so years and we'd have chewed our right arms off to have an Abramovich or rich oil shiekh come in to SJP and "do us a Chelsea".

 

 

 

No. Money has already corrupted the beautiful game and I don't want my club to add to that.

[Frazzle]

Cannot understand how some people show such childish envy of Man C by sneering about 'buying the League' etc.

 

Isn't that exactly what KK tried to do back in the mid-90s, when we bought Ferdinand, Barton, Ginola, Shearer and Asprilla ? Nobody who supports NUFC would have complained if we had pipped Man U in 96, even though at that time we were out-spending them...

 

It is just NOT possible to win trophies these days WITHOUT spending a large amount of money on players, but that doesn't mean you should ignore your own Academy system, which is where I differed from KK who placed far less importance on it - spending doesn't guarantee success(witness 96..)but in our case, it should have done.

 

Once we stopped progressing as a club, we fell behind the others and OUT of the top 4, and once that happened we started losing revenue, which meant we fell further behind because top players no longer saw us as an attractive destination ; that HAS to change in future years if the club is to get anywhere NEAR challenging for trophies.

 

I'm pleased for the Man C fans because, as most of them will tell you, they are mainly composed of Mancunians or people from that locality whereas we all know that their rival neighbours are followed by people from well outside the NW - also, they have lived in Man U's shadow for many years and , as younger fans on here will discover if the Mackems make progress and we fail to get promoted, that is not a pleasant feeling...

 

 

Good post. I think you're right that many sneering at Man City right now really are just doing so because they're being childish and envious. Blackburn had Jack Walker and won the Premiership. Chelsea have had Abramovich, ditto. We had Sir John Hall, he two Freddies, loads of wonga, but we blew it and we've been in gradual decline for a few years now, accelerated by the current Ashley regime.

 

Citeh are one of the few clubs who rival NUFC for recurrent melodrama and intrigue off the pitch. Over the past few years Citeh fans have had to endure various highs and lows including two relegations, the excitement of a Keegan promotion, the lows of Stuart Pearce's amateur hour, the media frenzy around Shinawatra's arrival and the accompanying political farce, Sven coming and going and now they're in total fantasy football territory courtesy of their current Abu Dhabi owners having splashed out silly money this summer. They've spent years feeling like the Premiership's media whipping boys, frequently ridiculed and undermined.

 

If they buy the title, then they won't be the first, and I certainly wouldn't begrudge the fans a bit of joy from that either, but I can't say I feel comfortable with where this scale of spending is taking the game of football more generally.

 

I wouldn't say the situations were comparable, in 95/96 we paid £2.5m for Ginola and £6m for Ferdinand while Liverpool paid £8m(?) for Collymore and Arsenal paid about £7m for Bergkamp.  Obviously Shearer a year later was a massive amount of money but he was arguably the best striker in the world at the time, or at least one of them.  Man City broke the British transfer fee record for a player who isn't even in the top 10 players in the world, then over £25m for a defender who doesn't even play for his country.

[Dave]

Why not let them buy the league?

 

Everyone else who ever won it has.

 

I think the problem is most other teams barring Chelsea who have done it have earned that money themselves. That is what I think has put most peoples noses out of joint.

 

Pretty much. I thought it was just as fucking distasteful when Chelsea were doing it.

[BlueStar]

FA to study Ade incidents

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5556322,00.html

[oldtype]

Seeing Man City become the second Chelsea makes me think that maybe there's something to be said for the American sports system.

 

Yes, the regulations are stupid and arbitrary, but once you get past the initial distaste, doesn't it result in a more enjoyable league for the fans?

[Thespence]

I like Man City, I hope they win the PL or at least get in the top 4 for at least 3 season so some of the current big four feel the pinch of not having regualr CL money that they take for granted be even better if Spurs got in there as well.

 

[Pilko]

be even better if Spurs got in there as well.

 

erm, no thanks...

[merlin]

Main feature on Football Focus right now.

 

Can't help thinking that there's a fair few amongst the Geordie faithful who wouldn't be batting an eyelid were we to be in the shoes of Citeh fans right now, rather than expressing their abhorrence of the way money is corrupting the beautiful game.

 

Our current predicament seems in a strange sort of way to be helping people see things in a different light now, but go back three or so years and we'd have chewed our right arms off to have an Abramovich or rich oil shiekh come in to SJP and "do us a Chelsea".

 

 

 

No. Money has already corrupted the beautiful game and I don't want my club to add to that.

 

You'll be quite happy to watch the club being also-rans, then...?

[merlin]

Cannot understand how some people show such childish envy of Man C by sneering about 'buying the League' etc.

 

Isn't that exactly what KK tried to do back in the mid-90s, when we bought Ferdinand, Barton, Ginola, Shearer and Asprilla ? Nobody who supports NUFC would have complained if we had pipped Man U in 96, even though at that time we were out-spending them...

 

It is just NOT possible to win trophies these days WITHOUT spending a large amount of money on players, but that doesn't mean you should ignore your own Academy system, which is where I differed from KK who placed far less importance on it - spending doesn't guarantee success(witness 96..)but in our case, it should have done.

 

Once we stopped progressing as a club, we fell behind the others and OUT of the top 4, and once that happened we started losing revenue, which meant we fell further behind because top players no longer saw us as an attractive destination ; that HAS to change in future years if the club is to get anywhere NEAR challenging for trophies.

 

I'm pleased for the Man C fans because, as most of them will tell you, they are mainly composed of Mancunians or people from that locality whereas we all know that their rival neighbours are followed by people from well outside the NW - also, they have lived in Man U's shadow for many years and , as younger fans on here will discover if the Mackems make progress and we fail to get promoted, that is not a pleasant feeling...

 

I wouldn't say the situations were comparable, in 95/96 we paid £2.5m for Ginola and £6m for Ferdinand while Liverpool paid £8m(?) for Collymore and Arsenal paid about £7m for Bergkamp.  Obviously Shearer a year later was a massive amount of money but he was arguably the best striker in the world at the time, or at least one of them.  Man City broke the British transfer fee record for a player who isn't even in the top 10 players in the world, then over £25m for a defender who doesn't even play for his country.

 

The situations ARE compatible - don't forget the 4m for Barton(Jul 95) and the 7m for Asprilla in Feb 96; we were well-known for being the biggest spenders at the time.

 

 

Good post. I think you're right that many sneering at Man City right now really are just doing so because they're being childish and envious. Blackburn had Jack Walker and won the Premiership. Chelsea have had Abramovich, ditto. We had Sir John Hall, he two Freddies, loads of wonga, but we blew it and we've been in gradual decline for a few years now, accelerated by the current Ashley regime.

 

Citeh are one of the few clubs who rival NUFC for recurrent melodrama and intrigue off the pitch. Over the past few years Citeh fans have had to endure various highs and lows including two relegations, the excitement of a Keegan promotion, the lows of Stuart Pearce's amateur hour, the media frenzy around Shinawatra's arrival and the accompanying political farce, Sven coming and going and now they're in total fantasy football territory courtesy of their current Abu Dhabi owners having splashed out silly money this summer. They've spent years feeling like the Premiership's media whipping boys, frequently ridiculed and undermined.

 

If they buy the title, then they won't be the first, and I certainly wouldn't begrudge the fans a bit of joy from that either, but I can't say I feel comfortable with where this scale of spending is taking the game of football more generally.

[McCormick]

I like Man City, I hope they win the PL or at least get in the top 4 for at least 3 season so some of the current big four feel the pinch of not having regualr CL money that they take for granted be even better if Spurs got in there as well.

 

 

[GM]

I already know the abuse and the sort of answer(s) I'll get for even daring to ask the question but...

 

Do you think Manchester City is a bigger club than Newcastle United?

 

 

 

[ChrisMcQuillan]

I already know the abuse and the sort of answer(s) I'll get for even daring to ask the question but...

 

Do you think Manchester City is a bigger club than Newcastle United?

 

 

 

 

Now, yes.  Two years ago, no.

 

Times change.

[Dave]

Define 'bigger'.

 

Or rather, don't.

[GM]

I mean "big club" in the Freddie Shepherd sense...

[iklgizmo]

I have adebayor down as top scorer for a thing at work so hopefully he keeps this up.

 

Will probably get a ban after his antics yesterday though.

That player who celebrated in front of the fans while they were fighting in that West Ham v Millwall game wasn't punished was he?

 

didnt neville get a ban when he did a similar (but not actually as bad) thing against liverpool?

[Steggy]

I have adebayor down as top scorer for a thing at work so hopefully he keeps this up.

 

Will probably get a ban after his antics yesterday though.

That player who celebrated in front of the fans while they were fighting in that West Ham v Millwall game wasn't punished was he?

 

didnt neville get a ban when he did a similar (but not actually as bad) thing against liverpool?

 

 

 

£5000 fine IIRC.

[2sheds]

I already know the abuse and the sort of answer(s) I'll get for even daring to ask the question but...

 

Do you think Manchester City is a bigger club than Newcastle United?

 

 

 

 

Now, yes.  Two years ago, no.

 

Times change.

I'm an old fart (born in 65) so in my lifetime they have won the League, FA Cup, League Cup (twice) Charity Shield (twice) and the old Cup Winners Cup.

 

During the same period we have won the Fairs Cup and that's it.

 

I have to say they are bigger than us overall but definately these days with their current owners.

[pedro111]

Fan wise no. Everything else wise, yes.

[madras]

I already know the abuse and the sort of answer(s) I'll get for even daring to ask the question but...

 

Do you think Manchester City is a bigger club than Newcastle United?

 

 

 

 

Now, yes.  Two years ago, no.

 

Times change.

I'm an old fart (born in 65) so in my lifetime they have won the League, FA Cup, League Cup (twice) Charity Shield (twice) and the old Cup Winners Cup.

 

During the same period we have won the Fairs Cup and that's it.

 

I have to say they are bigger than us overall but definately these days with their current owners.

yes but till last season.......from say 92ish (ie a good deal of the frecent past)

[Teasy]

Fan wise no. Everything else wise, yes.

 

Fan wise no, trophy history no, stadium and training facilities no, Arabs yes.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Reading & listening to Hughes this week, I can honestly say I hope they get fucking hammered in the derby tomorrow.

[ED209]

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