Anderson Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I don't think Barton's been quite the same player since the Carroll sale. There's not been any dramatic loss of form, he's just not quite at his best. If a player's commitment becomes a bit uncertain, unless they're quite a strong character, it can affect their focus. The same goes for Enrique. Does it f***, man. It doesn't even apply to Barton! Of course it does. Barton's played what, 4 games since Carroll's departure? Fulham - was poor Arsenal - was terrific Blackburn - played well Birmingham - was terrific Conclusion = you're both daft. You obviously missed the forum memo that all players are now judged on supposed 'body language' now and not the standard of their performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I don't think Barton's been quite the same player since the Carroll sale. There's not been any dramatic loss of form, he's just not quite at his best. If a player's commitment becomes a bit uncertain, unless they're quite a strong character, it can affect their focus. The same goes for Enrique. Does it f***, man. It doesn't even apply to Barton! Of course it does. Barton's played what, 4 games since Carroll's departure? Fulham - was poor Arsenal - was terrific Blackburn - played well Birmingham - was terrific Conclusion = you're both daft. You obviously missed the forum memo that all players are now judged on supposed 'body language' now and not the standard of their performance. it's becoming a parody now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 "but he needs to be in a good place to play well.” http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2234960801_5437f055fc.jpg BUT NO! http://blog.timesunion.com/highschool/files/2010/10/shooter38vv.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 "but he needs to be in a good place to play well.” http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2234960801_5437f055fc.jpg BUT NO! http://blog.timesunion.com/highschool/files/2010/10/shooter38vv.jpg Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 BACK! (with new boots btw) http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/110263714.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892140FEB0FF7845C57DE25BD970643498B497ED5082E9EAFDC83EA07C3A29D9ECF0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Sprightly. The worst boots ever mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Aww, Barton not wearing no-nonsense black boots New Poll: Do you like Barton's New Boots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 St.Patricks day boots? Still got his class haircut i see, which i have shamelessly copied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Clearly wants out; he has the Champions League stars on his boots so must want away to a big European club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Our most important player ..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiemonster Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. Nothing earth shattering, but it was nice to hear him put his side of things to us - he comes across as a really genuine bloke. Any footballer can say he loves the club, but I'd like to think in Barton's case he actually means it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 NWOAT. Merge with Barton topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiemonster Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I don't know what NWOAT means, but ok.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 They want to slash his contract by 66% yet the likes of Smith and Taylor sit there on God knows fucking what. Nightmare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 So it's like....20k ppw? Serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Mind you, i do remember us having to cough up an extra (what was essentially an even greater sign-on fee) £300k to pay for City's loyalty bonus to him. Greedy little pig. Greedy, greedy footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. As feared/suspected/expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. As feared/suspected/expected. I suspect that Barton's new contract means a big cut in his guaranteed salary, but there would be a lot of performance-related top-ups. I think that's what happened when Owen's contract came up for renewal. There's been talk from the club that this is the style of contract that they now want to offer. If so, we've seen players like Tiote and Ben Arfa quite willing to sign up in the last few months, and this is the first we've heard of any major rift between Barton and the club in terms of the actual amount being offered. The previous talk has been about whether it should be 2 or 3 years, or whether Barton wants to wait and see how the Carroll money is going to be spent. We do have a number of players on inflated basic salaries, and it was always going to be a problem when, as with Owen, their renewal came up. An offer based on the performance of the player and/or the team seems a reasonable way forward. Continuing to pay huge amounts when the players who are coming in are being paid far less doesn't seem a viable option to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. As feared/suspected/expected. I suspect that Barton's new contract means a big cut in his guaranteed salary, but there would be a lot of performance-related top-ups. I think that's what happened when Owen's contract came up for renewal. There's been talk from the club that this is the style of contract that they now want to offer. If so, we've seen players like Tiote and Ben Arfa quite willing to sign up in the last few months, and this is the first we've heard of any major rift between Barton and the club in terms of the actual amount being offered. The previous talk has been about whether it should be 2 or 3 years, or whether Barton wants to wait and see how the Carroll money is going to be spent. We do have a number of players on inflated basic salaries, and it was always going to be a problem when, as with Owen, their renewal came up. An offer based on the performance of the player and/or the team seems a reasonable way forward. Continuing to pay huge amounts when the players who are coming in are being paid far less doesn't seem a viable option to me. The problem with offering performance related pay is that other Clubs will happily pay him a wage that guarantees his income. Then its 'bye bye' time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 The performance-based contract can't go to THAT far. It only works when the player is quite confident that his performance do help the club to achieve better results. If the player does not have confidence on the manager/club (which is obviously our case) and the club is going to be mediocore (probably due to not enough investment by the owner), he will simply walk away to find another clubs. I would say 40k ppw + 500k performance bonus for European qualification is a lot fair for Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 That's a problem, but it's a risk I think we should take. Barton in not getting younger and putting him on a £50- 60 000 a week salary it's not wise considering he's entering a period of his career where he will be even more susceptible to injuries than he's now. My point is that when he's playing, Barton is worth every penny, but as long as he doesn't play, he's a economical liability for the club. If Barton stalls, it's better to sell him, and reinvest that money+salary saved on two younger players who in sum will make us a stronger team than we were with Barton. And they also have a development potential. Pouring money into one player is only going to make our club more dependent on him. And we're already too much Barton-dependent as it is. It's the same mistake Lpool made with J. Cole. : Instead giving him £80 000 a week and a heavy sign on fee, they could have invested those money in 2 or 3 younger players that together elevate the team to a higher level than what Cole singlehandedly could do. That would also have made them less sensitive to injuries too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 The performance-based contract can't go to THAT far. It only works when the player is quite confident that his performance do help the club to achieve better results. If the player does not have confidence on the manager/club (which is obviously our case) and the club is going to be mediocore (probably due to not enough investment by the owner), he will simply walk away to find another clubs. I would say 40k ppw + 500k performance bonus for European qualification is a lot fair for Barton. We don't know what the figures are, but as I say the likes of Tiote, Ben Arfa and others have been happy to sign up. Barton likes the attention, and I don't think the terms of his contract offer are as restricted as the idea of a two-thirds cut would suggest. At the end of the day, we do have to have a salary policy, and if that means the likes of Barton or Enrique moving elsewhere then so be it. In the long run, we'd be better off than joining in the madness of paying over the odds, like we were doing before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 At the end of the day, we do have to have a salary policy, and if that means the likes of Barton or Enrique moving elsewhere then so be it. In the long run, we'd be better off than joining in the madness of paying over the odds, like we were doing before. Couldn't agree more. Abiding this salary policy could hurt us in the short run, but will benefit us in the long run. Soon Everton and Villa will be forced to cut costs, and then we have the possibility to outperform them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. As feared/suspected/expected. Aye. I do wonder if he'll be here next season, if he won't sign then the club will surely look to sell whilst his remaining value is at its highest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Anyone go? Some interesting bits and bobs, spoilt by his agent/mate/protector: Most interesting thing was that he's apparently been offered a derisory contract by the club - 1/3 of his current salary. He does say he wants to stay and has no intentions of leaving, so fingers crossed on that one. He also seems to have a good opinion of Mr Ashley, but reading between the lines he doesn't think much of Llambias. As feared/suspected/expected. Aye. I do wonder if he'll be here next season, if he won't sign then the club will surely look to sell whilst his remaining value is at its highest. No worries man, it won't be long before selling your best players who want to be paid their market worth without replacing them will be all the rage and when that time comes we will be in an excellent state to compete.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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