quayside Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Another fantastic piece by Caulkin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 If he isn't going to lookout for Rupert Murdoch who is? Poor bastard will be nearly broke. Eh? Newspapers are going broke left, right and centre. If you don't see how this affects the way people consume media and read news then you're nuts. The Washington Post was just sold for $250m, a fraction of its peak value. The Boston Globe was sold for $70m, a full $1bn less than its price 20 years ago. Advertising revenue doesn't cover the decline in traditional revenues. It shouldn't matter who owns it as the effect of this decline is far more damaging to the people who work in it, and also affects the way news is reported. This is not music where artists earn a majority of their money from other sources, anyway, not that it makes downloading music something that is commendable. It's not a good situation when news organisations which should be impartial are all tangled up in shitloads of conflicts of interests because they don't have enough subscribership revenue and have to depend on corporate sponsors instead, the same corporations that they report on. (coincidentally everyone is killing the Chronicle on their reporting on Wonga) If you want good, honest, impartial reporting then you have to pay for it. People bitch and moan when the local journalists don't print stuff because they're afraid to offend the club's hierarchy yet fail to see that leaving news organisations completely beholden to corporate sponsors is by default forcing this status quo on editors and journalists. Anyway, the mods have probably made this decision because posting articles behind a paywall could get this site in trouble, in the same way as posting copyrighted football videos once got this place shut down. I'm sure all the people bitching today would moan even more if this forum was shut down. I'm certain that the moral argument matters less to the mods than any possible legal consequence, but nonetheless they have merit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Just the same way as people here discuss torrents, none are actually hosted or posted on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Are we not allowed to copy and paste articles now? Bullshit if so. Tricky ground when it comes to stuff from behind paywalls, but of course regular articles with links included, etc. are still fine Aye, but some of us aren't situated in the UK and not online when it's available for free. Some of the yank lads are probably still asleep even now. We'll just do without. Cheers pip. Yeah, never once been able to catch it while free, so the pasting was always appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Fellas - does anyone have a contact email address for George Caulkin please? Am not on Twitter - if anyone can help, please drop me a PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 If he isn't going to lookout for Rupert Murdoch who is? Poor bastard will be nearly broke. Eh? Newspapers are going broke left, right and centre. If you don't see how this affects the way people consume media and read news then you're nuts. The Washington Post was just sold for $250m, a fraction of its peak value. The Boston Globe was sold for $70m, a full $1bn less than its price 20 years ago. Advertising revenue doesn't cover the decline in traditional revenues. It shouldn't matter who owns it as the effect of this decline is far more damaging to the people who work in it, and also affects the way news is reported. This is not music where artists earn a majority of their money from other sources, anyway, not that it makes downloading music something that is commendable. It's not a good situation when news organisations which should be impartial are all tangled up in shitloads of conflicts of interests because they don't have enough subscribership revenue and have to depend on corporate sponsors instead, the same corporations that they report on. (coincidentally everyone is killing the Chronicle on their reporting on Wonga) If you want good, honest, impartial reporting then you have to pay for it. People bitch and moan when the local journalists don't print stuff because they're afraid to offend the club's hierarchy yet fail to see that leaving news organisations completely beholden to corporate sponsors is by default forcing this status quo on editors and journalists. Anyway, the mods have probably made this decision because posting articles behind a paywall could get this site in trouble, in the same way as posting copyrighted football videos once got this place shut down. I'm sure all the people bitching today would moan even more if this forum was shut down. I'm certain that the moral argument matters less to the mods than any possible legal consequence, but nonetheless they have merit. Poor joke was poor. Good point btw and one I agree with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 If he isn't going to lookout for Rupert Murdoch who is? Poor bastard will be nearly broke. Eh? Newspapers are going broke left, right and centre. If you don't see how this affects the way people consume media and read news then you're nuts. The Washington Post was just sold for $250m, a fraction of its peak value. The Boston Globe was sold for $70m, a full $1bn less than its price 20 years ago. Advertising revenue doesn't cover the decline in traditional revenues. It shouldn't matter who owns it as the effect of this decline is far more damaging to the people who work in it, and also affects the way news is reported. This is not music where artists earn a majority of their money from other sources, anyway, not that it makes downloading music something that is commendable. It's not a good situation when news organisations which should be impartial are all tangled up in shitloads of conflicts of interests because they don't have enough subscribership revenue and have to depend on corporate sponsors instead, the same corporations that they report on. (coincidentally everyone is killing the Chronicle on their reporting on Wonga) If you want good, honest, impartial reporting then you have to pay for it. People bitch and moan when the local journalists don't print stuff because they're afraid to offend the club's hierarchy yet fail to see that leaving news organisations completely beholden to corporate sponsors is by default forcing this status quo on editors and journalists. Anyway, the mods have probably made this decision because posting articles behind a paywall could get this site in trouble, in the same way as posting copyrighted football videos once got this place shut down. I'm sure all the people bitching today would moan even more if this forum was shut down. I'm certain that the moral argument matters less to the mods than any possible legal consequence, but nonetheless they have merit. Food for thought. Well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 What a fantastic article. Brilliant stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 If he isn't going to lookout for Rupert Murdoch who is? Poor bastard will be nearly broke. Eh? Newspapers are going broke left, right and centre. If you don't see how this affects the way people consume media and read news then you're nuts. The Washington Post was just sold for $250m, a fraction of its peak value. The Boston Globe was sold for $70m, a full $1bn less than its price 20 years ago. Advertising revenue doesn't cover the decline in traditional revenues. It shouldn't matter who owns it as the effect of this decline is far more damaging to the people who work in it, and also affects the way news is reported. This is not music where artists earn a majority of their money from other sources, anyway, not that it makes downloading music something that is commendable. It's not a good situation when news organisations which should be impartial are all tangled up in shitloads of conflicts of interests because they don't have enough subscribership revenue and have to depend on corporate sponsors instead, the same corporations that they report on. (coincidentally everyone is killing the Chronicle on their reporting on Wonga) If you want good, honest, impartial reporting then you have to pay for it. People bitch and moan when the local journalists don't print stuff because they're afraid to offend the club's hierarchy yet fail to see that leaving news organisations completely beholden to corporate sponsors is by default forcing this status quo on editors and journalists. Anyway, the mods have probably made this decision because posting articles behind a paywall could get this site in trouble, in the same way as posting copyrighted football videos once got this place shut down. I'm sure all the people bitching today would moan even more if this forum was shut down. I'm certain that the moral argument matters less to the mods than any possible legal consequence, but nonetheless they have merit. To be fair, though, the local papers still had to cuddle up to the club even when advertising revenues were healthier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The Newcastle paragraph in this: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/07/10-questions-transfer-window-premier-league is a neat little synopsis/reworking of the opinions expressed in Caulkin's recent piece. I guess we now know where Louise does her "research." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Caulkin's piece is absolutely spot on.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just read it. Absolutely fantastic, as usual. Strong hint that Kinnear is on his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Just read it. Absolutely fantastic, as usual. Strong hint that Kinnear is on his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 the caulkin piece is not actually the slating piece I was expecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 That was spot on. Good to see some real journalism. He did leave out one key element though which is the injuries. Last season was bonkers with regard to injuries and if we manage to keep them down we have a fairly good chance of finishing comfortably in the middle of the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 It was deleted from here but Caulkin is telling everybody how to read it. George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes 2m Psst. Don't tell anyone, but that #Nufc blog I wrote last week is here if you wish to read it. http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/34543-george-caulkins-new-piece/ … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Just seen that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Just seen that At least we now know what he thinks about his work being hidden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Tend to agree with him, especially when it's classed as a "blog" rather than an "article" (though not sure if other's agree there should be a distinction there). He's our best journalist by a mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 So are Michael Owen and Alan Shearer in terms of style. But they serve te same basic function - same with Hazard/Mata. You want them contributing decisively in the final third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Fair play to him for that. Top journo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 He is spot on, and that's the crazy situation we are in. A few signings made this summer and we would have had a top 8 team, but instead we are now in a situation where a few injuries to our first team and we are in big trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Cracking write up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 It was deleted from here but Caulkin is telling everybody how to read it. George Caulkin @CaulkinTheTimes 2m Psst. Don't tell anyone, but that #Nufc blog I wrote last week is here if you wish to read it. http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/34543-george-caulkins-new-piece/ … Georgie Boy spot on again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Caulkin, man I'm about to start a Sports Journalism course, knowing I'll never be as good as him. He's class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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