merlin Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 It's a real controversial thing isn't it? I seem to remember reading that Seamus Heaney protested his inclusion in an anthology of modern British poetry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 No, it's not at all controversial. Look at your passport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 give him his due, Freddie did make a real effort for O'Neill but he turned it down due family circumstances and geography. how different it could all have been..... I'm sure I remember seeing MON interviewed on tv and he was asked why he didn't take the Newcastle job - he replied that he wasn't asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The nationality of the manager is secondary, his competence is what's important. MON is one of the better British/nearly British managers around but there are far too many cack ones. We should know, we've employed most of them and paid them a fortune to persuade them to fuck off eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Brian Clough once said ; 'If your Auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle...!' O'Neill holds a UK Passport - end of story, despite what anyone says - there are plenty of Ulstermen who are rightfully proud of being Irish, but they wouldn't relinquish their British citizenship. Ditto Welshmen and the majority of Scots...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Brian Clough once said ; 'If your Auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle...!' O'Neill holds a UK Passport - end of story, despite what anyone says - there are plenty of Ulstermen who are rightfully proud of being Irish, but they wouldn't relinquish their British citizenship. Ditto Welshmen and the majority of Scots...... UK citizenship – citizenship of "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" – is not the same as being British, and no amount of wilfull ignorance on your part will change that fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The squad's still a ticking time-bomb like. Something could upset the rhythmn and harmony, and that'd be the season up s*** creek. A worse manager than Hughton, one with an attitude (like Kinnear, for example, had we picked him*) will not have had us top. He's not a good manager but he works for us at the moment. It twists EthiGeordie's obvious wummage to a different sort of perspective, 'best' manager certainly isn't the case. But effective and i think we're somewhere closer. From a footballing perspective he's pretty tosh but all i'm saying is that he works right now. *Or, i'd even argue, any typical Premier League manager. Premiership manager, 'Premiership' players. If we lost a couple on the bounce there'd be hell on. Hughton's brought the players down a peg or two very well. I mean, a lot of managers are stubborn c***s and i daresay that players' committee would have been pissed on. I disagree. It may have been that way at the start of the season but as more wins with little effort have come, they've jumped back up. Alot of them still go out some weeks thinking they're fucking untouchable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Brian Clough once said ; 'If your Auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle...!' O'Neill holds a UK Passport - end of story, despite what anyone says - there are plenty of Ulstermen who are rightfully proud of being Irish, but they wouldn't relinquish their British citizenship. Ditto Welshmen and the majority of Scots...... UK citizenship – citizenship of "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" – is not the same as being British, and no amount of wilfull ignorance on your part will change that fact. There is no such thing as 'UK citizenship'. There are only three types of citizenship of this country as defined under the British Nationality Act 1981. British citizenship British dependent territories citizenship (Now British Overseas Territories citizenship following the British Overseas Territories Act 2002) British Overseas citizenship If you are from Northern Ireland and hold a passport bearing the name of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland your nationality is British Citizen as it will state inside your passport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/17/newcastle-chris-hughton Chris Hughton's revolution sets Newcastle players free After years of turbulence, Newcastle are thriving under the radical dressing-room approach of Chris Hughton Steven Taylor is not quite 24 but he has played under seven managers at Newcastle and experienced more turmoil than many footballers encounter during entire careers. "I think we're on an even keel now though, we're stable," says the centre-half, resisting a temptation to cross his fingers before touching wood. "The club's turned round, Newcastle United's changed for the better." Such optimism is born not only of the team's position at the top of the Championship but the modus operandi of his seventh boss, Chris Hughton. At Taylor's age the then Tottenham full-back was involved with the Workers Revolutionary Party, an essentially Trotskyite group. Trotsky once preached "permanent revolution" but, three decades on Hughton – these days a committed Labour party member – swiftly realised Newcastle required an antidote to the constant upheaval of recent seasons. His St James' Park revolution has duly been of the velvet variety. While there have been few radical tactical or training ground alterations, the former Spurs and Newcastle coach's approach to dressing-room politics differs markedly to that practised by many peers. First teamers are encouraged to voice their views on managerial decisions with a players' committee comprising Steve Harper, Kevin Nolan and Alan Smith, transmitting opinions to Hughton. Not that Taylor and his colleagues are in any way isolated from a manager who appreciates the importance of frequent communication with every squad member. "Chris is always chatting to all of us, always explaining things – and you can talk to him about anything," says the ex England Under-21 international. "His door is always open to everyone and the lads love him for it. He's a real players' manager who has had nowhere near the praise he deserves. You'll never, ever, hear anyone moaning about Chris around this place. It makes a big change at Newcastle United but we all respect him far too much for that." West Bromwich Albion may prove less respectful than other visitors to St James' during tomorrow night's Championship summit meeting but Roberto Di Matteo's side will find themselves facing opponents "United" in more than name only. "One of the reasons we're successful is that we're being honest with each other now," reflects Taylor, who turns 24 next Saturday. "In the past some lads got upset about things but kept their feelings back and then didn't perform on the pitch. It caused rivalries but this season, under Chris, it's been great because we've been encouraged to talk about things as a team, to get it all off our chests. We've learnt the best way is being honest with each other." Similarly the dressing-room's old faultlines are a fading memory. "The lads here always sat around in three groups: foreign, young and older," says Taylor. "But that doesn't happen anymore, we all just mix in." It helps that relegation purged Newcastle of individuals who joined the club primarily for the generous wages on offer and had little compunction about embroilment in assorted minor scandals. "There were players in the past here who didn't give their all," says Taylor. "But but now we all definitely feel a sense of responsibility for what happened last season. We want to fight for each other, if someone gets tackled we'll help them out. "In the past silly things were always going on but we don't have those problems anymore, probably because certain people aren't here. The newspapers are more interested in Big Brother than Newcastle United now. And we've got what this club always needed, players who really want to play for it." What a liar Steven Taylor is Ronaldo eh? Bet if it was Colo who said that your head would explode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Brian Clough once said ; 'If your Auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle...!' O'Neill holds a UK Passport - end of story, despite what anyone says - there are plenty of Ulstermen who are rightfully proud of being Irish, but they wouldn't relinquish their British citizenship. Ditto Welshmen and the majority of Scots...... UK citizenship – citizenship of "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" – is not the same as being British, and no amount of wilfull ignorance on your part will change that fact. What does it say for citizenship on his passport then? Genuine question. Because it says British for me. EDIT: Addressed by Greg. As I thought, it's true he's not from the island of Britain, he is British. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 O'Neill isn't British. He's mostly played and managed in Britain, but he's Irish. O'Neill was born in Kilrea, N.Ireland, which makes him a citizen of the UK - for now.... His family WERE Nationalist, but that doesn't matter because he still holds a UK Passport - unless he has changed Nationality without telling anyone. He also holds the OBE, and if he really did have strong Nationalist feelings, he wouldn't have accepted that....would he ! Being a citizen of the United Kingdom is not the same thing as being British. Here's a link to Martin O'Neill delivering a talk on "What it means to be Irish": http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1231/martinoneillpresidentiallecture_av.html Brian Clough once said ; 'If your Auntie had balls, she'd be your uncle...!' O'Neill holds a UK Passport - end of story, despite what anyone says - there are plenty of Ulstermen who are rightfully proud of being Irish, but they wouldn't relinquish their British citizenship. Ditto Welshmen and the majority of Scots...... UK citizenship – citizenship of "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" – is not the same as being British, and no amount of wilfull ignorance on your part will change that fact. When it comes to ignorance, you are the World Champ(still, I suppose you have to be decent at SOMETHING). And no amount of stupid, NuLab Political Correctness, bred into bigots over the last 13 years, OR wishful thinking, can change the facts - O'Neill is a BRITISH CITIZEN ; YOU look in his passport. I assume they still teach reading at UK schools if not much else these days.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/17/newcastle-chris-hughton Chris Hughton's revolution sets Newcastle players free After years of turbulence, Newcastle are thriving under the radical dressing-room approach of Chris Hughton Steven Taylor is not quite 24 but he has played under seven managers at Newcastle and experienced more turmoil than many footballers encounter during entire careers. "I think we're on an even keel now though, we're stable," says the centre-half, resisting a temptation to cross his fingers before touching wood. "The club's turned round, Newcastle United's changed for the better." Such optimism is born not only of the team's position at the top of the Championship but the modus operandi of his seventh boss, Chris Hughton. At Taylor's age the then Tottenham full-back was involved with the Workers Revolutionary Party, an essentially Trotskyite group. Trotsky once preached "permanent revolution" but, three decades on Hughton – these days a committed Labour party member – swiftly realised Newcastle required an antidote to the constant upheaval of recent seasons. His St James' Park revolution has duly been of the velvet variety. While there have been few radical tactical or training ground alterations, the former Spurs and Newcastle coach's approach to dressing-room politics differs markedly to that practised by many peers. First teamers are encouraged to voice their views on managerial decisions with a players' committee comprising Steve Harper, Kevin Nolan and Alan Smith, transmitting opinions to Hughton. Not that Taylor and his colleagues are in any way isolated from a manager who appreciates the importance of frequent communication with every squad member. "Chris is always chatting to all of us, always explaining things – and you can talk to him about anything," says the ex England Under-21 international. "His door is always open to everyone and the lads love him for it. He's a real players' manager who has had nowhere near the praise he deserves. You'll never, ever, hear anyone moaning about Chris around this place. It makes a big change at Newcastle United but we all respect him far too much for that." West Bromwich Albion may prove less respectful than other visitors to St James' during tomorrow night's Championship summit meeting but Roberto Di Matteo's side will find themselves facing opponents "United" in more than name only. "One of the reasons we're successful is that we're being honest with each other now," reflects Taylor, who turns 24 next Saturday. "In the past some lads got upset about things but kept their feelings back and then didn't perform on the pitch. It caused rivalries but this season, under Chris, it's been great because we've been encouraged to talk about things as a team, to get it all off our chests. We've learnt the best way is being honest with each other." Similarly the dressing-room's old faultlines are a fading memory. "The lads here always sat around in three groups: foreign, young and older," says Taylor. "But that doesn't happen anymore, we all just mix in." It helps that relegation purged Newcastle of individuals who joined the club primarily for the generous wages on offer and had little compunction about embroilment in assorted minor scandals. "There were players in the past here who didn't give their all," says Taylor. "But but now we all definitely feel a sense of responsibility for what happened last season. We want to fight for each other, if someone gets tackled we'll help them out. "In the past silly things were always going on but we don't have those problems anymore, probably because certain people aren't here. The newspapers are more interested in Big Brother than Newcastle United now. And we've got what this club always needed, players who really want to play for it." What a liar Steven Taylor is Ronaldo eh? Bet if it was Colo who said that your head would explode. Tbf Taylor comes out with the same bites whoever the manager is, much like Martins did as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Martins came out with loads of negative stuff about Allardyce, didn't he? About how he was either being played as a winger or a sub, and his negative tactics that didn't suit his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 What a liar Steven Taylor is Ronaldo eh? Bet if it was Colo who said that your head would explode. No, you're right. Taylor is one of the most honest professionals i've ever seen at SJP. He's licked the arse of every manager he's played under, including Kinnear and Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 people from northern ireland can get irish passports too, wouldn't surprise me one bit if o'neill's passport said 'irish' on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 What a liar Steven Taylor is Ronaldo eh? Bet if it was Colo who said that your head would explode. No, you're right. Taylor is one of the most honest professionals i've ever seen at SJP. He's licked the arse of every manager he's played under, including Kinnear and Shearer. I'd rather takes Steven Taylor's word than some internet know it all who thinks he knows what everyone is thinking. It's not just Taylor though, most of the senior squad have said how much they are enjoying things under Hughton, but they are all liars as well. Until your man fantasy Colo comes out and says Hughton is a liked manager I doubt you can see past your own opinion; the opinion you so readily pass it off as facts to everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Why wouldn't the players say good things about Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Martins came out with loads of negative stuff about Allardyce, didn't he? About how he was either being played as a winger or a sub, and his negative tactics that didn't suit his game. After he left though I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I wonder how Hughton is dealing with the transfer market as a new manager. Sadly I believe they appointed him not only because he's cheap, but because he's unlikely to complain when they invariably fail to deliver the signings he asks for. Will that change come the summer should we go up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Credit to Hughton, so far the diplomacy strategy has worked. however, in the event we go up, is consulting the players really the best way to make the tough decisions needed? When it comes down to it, he will have to jettison and replace some of those very players that he is talking with, players who have done a very good job this season. I can just imagine him sitting down with Nolan, Butt, Smith etc, all shit players who would be liabilities in the premiership, and asking them their opinion on getting in better players than them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 That feature on FM where you can ask players to recommend signings was probably suggested by Hughton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 people from northern ireland can get irish passports too, wouldn't surprise me one bit if o'neill's passport said 'irish' on it. Edit: Who cares? I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Irish passports are a hell of a lot more acceptable in a lot of the world than a UK One...................... the Canadians are well thought of as well.................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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