Given's Return

[Quailman]

I think that Arsenal will be the perfect move for him.

 

Gives Joe Hart a chance to get better and better. Can only be good for England.

[Gash]

A friend who supports Liverpool reckons Hodgson is desperate for a 'home-grown' goal keeper, this could be the answer.

Then we could get Reina!!

[ToonTastic]

Not off  back to Sunderland ?

[Guest Stephen927]

Left in the wrong manner but he was a legend when he was here. Couldn't care what he does now.

[Tooj]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

[madras]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

i honestly think his move to man citeh was more about the chance to win things more than a pay day (even though i think his behaviour in the way he tried to engineer the move to grab as much as he could was dispicable)

[Guest SpinTheBlackCircle]

 

Legend

[Teasy]

Arsehole

[Happy Face]

People have short memories.

 

He's by far the best keeper we've had since Willie McFaul.

 

Wright, Srnicek, Hislop, Hooper, Perez. 

 

They're keepers you  can dismiss.

 

Given was an absolute legend here.

 

Er, nobody has said he wasn't brilliant.

 

The question was about his behaviour, not his ability. Obviously no doubt he was class for us while here.

 

Bit daft to have a poll where one could conceivably hold all 3 views then innit.

[ozzie1980]

He's apparently said he'll have to think about his future if he doesn't start on Saturday...

He can't handle not being #1 goalkeeper

[Happy Face]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

 

You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City?

 

It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary.

 

Can we get the story straight?

[BottledDog]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

 

You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City?

 

It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary.

 

Can we get the story straight?

 

Ok.

 

There is a question mark over Harpers ambition, though it has benifited us to a degree.

There is no doubting that Given, despite years of excellent service, royally fucked us over by demanding a move half way through a very tough season.

[Happy Face]

There is no doubting that Given, despite years of excellent service, royally fucked us over by demanding a move half way through a very tough season.

 

That's a different story again, relating to whether he's a team player or not.  Given said how deeply unhappy he was with the situation at the club.  Having finished in the top 4 twice with Newcastle he found himself working under Joe 'sodding' Kinnear and after conceding 5 against Liverpool he said publicly he was consiidering his future.  By requesting permission to speak to Man City, didn't he forego any rights to compensation on his current contract?  Surely that reinforces the point that Shay has never been about the money.

 

I'd also question whether HE fucked us over when it was never in his power to do so.  Ashley fucked us over by selling Given AND N'zogbia in that window, both under contract and playing regularly.

 

[Mick]

 

That's a different story again, relating to whether he's a team player or not.  Given said how deeply unhappy he was with the situation at the club.  Having finished in the top 4 twice with Newcastle he found himself working under Joe 'sodding' Kinnear and after conceding 5 against Liverpool he said publicly he was consiidering his future.  By requesting permission to speak to Man City, didn't he forego any rights to compensation on his current contract?  Surely that reinforces the point that Shay has never been about the money.

 

I'd also question whether HE f***ed us over when it was never in his power to do so.  Ashley f***ed us over by selling Given AND N'zogbia in that window, both under contract and playing regularly.

 

 

Didn't Given pick up a mystery injury just before going to Man City and was then fit to play for them?

[Happy Face]

 

That's a different story again, relating to whether he's a team player or not.  Given said how deeply unhappy he was with the situation at the club.  Having finished in the top 4 twice with Newcastle he found himself working under Joe 'sodding' Kinnear and after conceding 5 against Liverpool he said publicly he was consiidering his future.  By requesting permission to speak to Man City, didn't he forego any rights to compensation on his current contract?  Surely that reinforces the point that Shay has never been about the money.

 

I'd also question whether HE f***ed us over when it was never in his power to do so.  Ashley f***ed us over by selling Given AND N'zogbia in that window, both under contract and playing regularly.

 

 

Didn't Given pick up a mystery injury just before going to Man City and was then fit to play for them?

 

Probably more to do with the fact we were playing Man City the week before his move and neither party wanted him playing.

 

He played all the games between his solicitors statement and that game.

[Mick]

 

Probably more to do with the fact we were playing Man City the week before his move and neither party wanted him playing.

 

He played all the games between his solicitors statement and that game.

 

It has been suggested that he'd refused to play for us again so we had no option but to sell him.

[Happy Face]

 

Probably more to do with the fact we were playing Man City the week before his move and neither party wanted him playing.

 

He played all the games between his solicitors statement and that game.

 

It has been suggested that he'd refused to play for us again so we had no option but to sell him.

 

My google for "shay given refused to play" only returned "Charles N'Zogbia: I'll never play for Joe Kinnear again"

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&tbs=ctr%3AcountryUK%7CcountryGB&q=shay+given+refused+to+play&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

 

[Skirge]

Being linked with Arsenal

[BottledDog]

There is no doubting that Given, despite years of excellent service, royally fucked us over by demanding a move half way through a very tough season.

 

That's a different story again, relating to whether he's a team player or not.  Given said how deeply unhappy he was with the situation at the club.  Having finished in the top 4 twice with Newcastle he found himself working under Joe 'sodding' Kinnear and after conceding 5 against Liverpool he said publicly he was consiidering his future.  By requesting permission to speak to Man City, didn't he forego any rights to compensation on his current contract?  Surely that reinforces the point that Shay has never been about the money.

 

I'd also question whether HE fucked us over when it was never in his power to do so.  Ashley fucked us over by selling Given AND N'zogbia in that window, both under contract and playing regularly.

 

 

I don't care whether Harper or Given are interested in money, or whether ambition was the driving factor. He ultimately harmed the club (which in the end is all that matters), and that in my eyes went a hell of a long way to negate the great service he had shown for us over the years.

 

Oh, and of course there is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is in the players power to force a move, especially away from a team that's struggling. Givens and N'Zogbias departures seemed pretty classic cases of just that.

[Belfast Boy]

He's apparently said he'll have to think about his future if he doesn't start on Saturday...

He can't handle not being #1 goalkeeper

 

Here's the link

 

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/going-given-tells-mancini-play-me-on-saturday-or-im-off-2290741.html

 

The Irish press seem to be playing up the fact that Hart being English is meaning he is likely to get the nod, seeing as England need a new keeper. Not at all sure what that would do to influence Mancini's decision mind you, but the Irish do love to feel discriminated against one way or another. 

[Liam Liam Liam O]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

 

You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City?

 

It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary.

 

Can we get the story straight?

 

Someone who actually holds that opinion will have to answer that for you.

[Happy Face]

There is no doubting that Given, despite years of excellent service, royally fucked us over by demanding a move half way through a very tough season.

 

That's a different story again, relating to whether he's a team player or not.  Given said how deeply unhappy he was with the situation at the club.  Having finished in the top 4 twice with Newcastle he found himself working under Joe 'sodding' Kinnear and after conceding 5 against Liverpool he said publicly he was consiidering his future.  By requesting permission to speak to Man City, didn't he forego any rights to compensation on his current contract?  Surely that reinforces the point that Shay has never been about the money.

 

I'd also question whether HE fucked us over when it was never in his power to do so.  Ashley fucked us over by selling Given AND N'zogbia in that window, both under contract and playing regularly.

 

 

I don't care whether Harper or Given are interested in money,

 

Strange to repsond to a post on the subject then.

[Happy Face]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

 

You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City?

 

It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary.

 

Can we get the story straight?

 

Someone who actually holds that opinion will have to answer that for you.

 

That's my point innit.

 

Calimag, Towelie, Teasy, Kid Icarus, Jamie87, LucaAltieri, Cubaricho and loads of others think that's the case...

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58972.msg1633816/topicseen.html#msg1633816

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,57901.msg1575771.html#msg1575771

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,53992.msg1382179/topicseen.html#msg1382179

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,52354.msg1305407/topicseen.html#msg1305407

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43992.msg960148/topicseen.html#msg960148

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,40303.msg832899.html#msg832899

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43628.msg956877/topicseen.html#msg956877

 

I'm not saying any individual dislikes both Given AND Harper for how they've behaved.  Logically, there's two schools of thought.  Contempt for Given's ambition would go hand in hand with appreciation for Harper's dedication.

 

Or appreciating Given's ambition would mean Harper's lack of it would be difficult to appreciate.

 

A third would be to appreciate there's no absolutes.  As a player, you can't win either way and just have to do what's right for yourself.

[BottledDog]

The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well.

 

He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too.

 

You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City?

 

It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary.

 

Can we get the story straight?

 

Someone who actually holds that opinion will have to answer that for you.

 

That's my point innit.

 

Calimag, Towelie, Teasy, Kid Icarus, Jamie87, LucaAltieri, Cubaricho and loads of others think that's the case...

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58972.msg1633816/topicseen.html#msg1633816

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,57901.msg1575771.html#msg1575771

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,53992.msg1382179/topicseen.html#msg1382179

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,52354.msg1305407/topicseen.html#msg1305407

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43992.msg960148/topicseen.html#msg960148

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,40303.msg832899.html#msg832899

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43628.msg956877/topicseen.html#msg956877

 

I'm not saying any individual dislikes both Given AND Harper for how they've behaved.  Logically, there's two schools of thought.  Contempt for Given's ambition would go hand in hand with appreciation for Harper's dedication.

 

Or appreciating Given's ambition would mean Harper's lack of it would be difficult to appreciate.

 

A third would be to appreciate there's no absolutes.  As a player, you can't win either way and just have to do what's right for yourself.

 

If there are two schools of thought then they basically come down to whether you sympathise with a player, or you support the team.

The club comes first for me, and the same would apply to any player including Harper. In this case it's all about the manner of the departure. I applaud ambition, but it doesn't matter one jot whether a player had valid reasons for wanting to leave or not if the way they go about it harms us.