Happy Face Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 The thing with Shay is - his game has always been about his reflexes and shot stopping. He won't have that agility to enable him to make those saves in his locker for much longer, he'll know that more than most as well. He'll also know it's probably his last chance of a big pay day too. You reckon he's on a pittance at Man City? It's a strange world when Harper sitting on his arse for 10 years accumulating piles of money means he loved the club but Given showing ambition to be at a club that won't just accept relegation, insisting on a first team place, not sitting out a good contract, as players like Babayaro would, is mercenary. Can we get the story straight? Someone who actually holds that opinion will have to answer that for you. That's my point innit. Calimag, Towelie, Teasy, Kid Icarus, Jamie87, LucaAltieri, Cubaricho and loads of others think that's the case... http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58972.msg1633816/topicseen.html#msg1633816 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,57901.msg1575771.html#msg1575771 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,53992.msg1382179/topicseen.html#msg1382179 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,52354.msg1305407/topicseen.html#msg1305407 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43992.msg960148/topicseen.html#msg960148 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,40303.msg832899.html#msg832899 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,43628.msg956877/topicseen.html#msg956877 I'm not saying any individual dislikes both Given AND Harper for how they've behaved. Logically, there's two schools of thought. Contempt for Given's ambition would go hand in hand with appreciation for Harper's dedication. Or appreciating Given's ambition would mean Harper's lack of it would be difficult to appreciate. A third would be to appreciate there's no absolutes. As a player, you can't win either way and just have to do what's right for yourself. If there are two schools of thought then they basically come down to whether you sympathise with a player, or you support the team. The club comes first for me, and the same would apply to any player including Harper. In this case it's all about the manner of the departure. I applaud ambition, but it doesn't matter one jot whether a player had valid reasons for wanting to leave or not if the way they go about it harms us. Fair enough. Personally I think that players are people too. I wouldn't expect them to put their lives on hold and remain miserable to cater to the whims of some fans. That's not to say any unhappy player is justified in walking out on a team. Many engineer moves despite being in an excellent postion, but if the reasons for leaving ARE entirely valid then I'm not going to be unsympathetic towards them....especially when the club make no effort to retain them anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Always knew that Given would end up getting demoted at Man City so I am well chuffed. Fuck you Given, enjoy sitting on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 When it comes to handing in transfer requests, ambition yes for last January, even if he was a cunt about it. But every other time he hands in a transfer request as soon as he's on the bench, without even putting up a fight. Harper, a few deserved games, and he was ready to leave. Man City, he's not even missed a game yet and he's talking about it! He won't fight for his position, it's as if he thinks he's got a divine right to have that number 1 spot. That's not ambition to me. That's lazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Plenty of paper talk today linking him with Celtic, Fulham and Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Apparently gonna enter transfer request today, not up for a fight for the number 1 slot then shay, arsehole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I hope he pisses off to Celtic, or somewhere where he will never have to darken our door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I hope he pisses off to Celtic, or somewhere where he will never have to darken our door. No, I want him to be playing against us. We have Ryan Taylor, you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 What a massive flouncing cunt you are Gay Shiven, done yourself proud again. Hope they refuse your move and make you sit on the bench for half a season playing second fiddle to a kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Joe Hart starts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Transfer request coming up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Joe Hart starts Stttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... (Givens fkn builders intake of air) Time to move on Shay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Can't wait to see his face while sitting on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Joe Hart starts Fucking champion. Let's see how the snake deals with this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Show me your medals Shay! Judas!!1!1!!eleven!1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Hard lines shay. Can't stand him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 There are dozens of former Newcastle players worthier than Given of your contempt, not least because they did absolutely f*** all for us while they were here. I'm indifferent to him now. I appreciate he gave us great service, I don't appreciate the way he left, but I don't think it would have made a difference to us beibng relegated because there were an untold number of wasters still on board who would have dragged us down regardless. He's not here now, and I've moved on. "Gay Shiven"? How old are you ffs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Can someone explain to me in a nutshell the utter hatred for Given now?! Must admit I wasn't taking much notice when he left, just thought he'd jumped a sinking ship. Is that the deal? Or something else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 http://dartemis.net/r_g_graves/images/nelson-haha.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 what the fuck is with the shay hatred jesus christ people he gave everything for 10 years and he finally had enough of our circus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 The guy was outstanding for us, but I completely understand the bitterness towards him given the nature of his exit. There's certainly a part of me that can't help wanting to see him fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 what the fuck is with the shay hatred jesus christ people he gave everything for 10 years and he finally had enough of our circus I take it you dont remember the way he went about leaving? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 http://dartemis.net/r_g_graves/images/nelson-haha.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Hart is a better goalkeeper. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 what the fuck is with the shay hatred jesus christ people he gave everything for 10 years and he finally had enough of our circus I take it you dont remember the way he went about leaving? i do and i couldnt blame him, with jfk and all the other mess that was going on at the time he finally had enough, he gave us 10 years of superb service and imo that outweighs anything else he did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Karma. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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