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Heron

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It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

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It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely fucking disgusting.

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It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.

 

Aye. How could you live your life pretending this never happened man?!

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It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.

 

Aye. How could you live your life pretending this never happened man?!

 

I can only assume because you have no conscience and are a selfish and egotistical beyond control or because you're a total heartless bastard with no compassion for your fellow man.

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Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

They also robbed their own dead and dying fans and pissed on the police.  :idiot2:

 

How do you know how many turned up without tickets?  Did they have a special queue for them?

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The Police's actions on the day were terrible but not for one minute do i think they meant to kill anyone. But what happened did cost lives, so the police are to blame, in exactly the way they were found to be today, unlawful deaths down to their actions. The stadium standards back then wouldn't have helped either but that's not an excuse for them.

 

But the cover up is the single most abhorrent thing. The police being inept at their job isn't a crime, covering up The Hillsborough Disaster to save your own skin is. There are no excuses for that and those responsible for it should have the full force of justice thrown at them.

 

 

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Wullie

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Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

Is it? Genuine question. Obviously there's going to be one or two, but as NJS implies, you can't just say there were 'loads' without a source and use that as some sort of excuse to point blame at the fans, unless it's an extremely large scale issue.

 

It's similar to when the police tried to use alcohol as an excuse - yes you're going to have drunk people at a football match. How many of us that have travelled away can claim we've never gone into a ground at least fairly pissed? A minority I would imagine,  but that's not the same as saying that if we'd been crushed to death at any of those matches, it would have been our fault. The police know some people at a football match will be drunk. It's part of the reason they are there, and they're supposed to deal with the issue in a sensible and fair manner. That goes for football matches in the same way it goes for concert, festivals, whatever.

 

Thought the point in the David Conn article in the Guardian about local bins being half full, and mainly containing empty cans of Vimto was very pertinent.

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I don't get why, when facing a raft of newspapers in a shop, somebody would choose The Sun.

 

People can be fucking idiots, man. I wish they would stop it, but they won't. People :lol: a recurring theme.

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Found that so difficult to get through.

 

So f***ing sad. :(

 

It really is. Some of the imagery is almost too much to take. I can't imagine attending a sporting event and being crushed to death. Children involved no less.

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Imagine going through this, followed by 27 years of lies and smears.

 

Disgusting.

 

At the gymnasium, families were made to queue outside in the cold, clear night, then eventually brought in and told to look through Polaroid photographs of all those who died, not grouped by age or gender. Families whose loved ones had bus passes or other identifying documents on them were also made to go through this process. When their dead relatives were brought out to them, they were in those body bags. Several parents testified that they were told they could not hold or kiss their dead children because they were “the property of the coroner”.

 

Dr Stefan Popper, the coroner, who approved the arrangements, ordered blood samples to be taken from all victims and tested for alcohol – even the children, including Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest, aged 10. It has now been revealed that some people lying injured in hospital also had their blood taken and tested for alcohol. Popper has never fully explained why he decided it was appropriate to take and test people’s blood.

 

Jesus christ man.

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I don't understand who actually buys it?  Who buys physical papers anymore?  And surely no-one pays to view their website behind a paywall?

 

They've turned off the paywall now, presumably for exactly that reason.

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Found that so difficult to get through.

 

So f***ing sad. :(

 

It really is. Some of the imagery is almost too much to take. I can't imagine attending a sporting event and being crushed to death. Children involved no less.

 

This sends fucking shivers down my spine.

 

'A police constable, Andrew Eddison, who went into the pens to pull people out, said in his statement that “everybody had urinated themselves” and defecated, and that vomit swirled over the bodies and around his feet. There were two piles of bodies at the front, and Eddison said a hand at the bottom of one was pulling at his trouser leg. Once the bodies were finally cleared, it turned out to be a child.'

 

:(

 

Reading his statement, by the time they pulled people off the pile to get to the child he'd died. So, so awful.

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Did anyone else see this on Channel 4 last night? Kelvin McKenzie, former Sun editor, getting a large portion of the very nasty journalism he served up in the 80s. Poetically beautiful stuff. Enjoy.

 

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