The Liverpool Thread

[wacko]

Kelvin Mackenzie trying to shift the blame away from himself.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kelvin-mackenzie-i-caught-up-11246843

 

The man is a proper cunt.

 

I love that the Liverpool Echo writes S*n.

 

 

 

Utterly detest that piece of s***.

 

I hope that him and Ingham don't wake up the next time they go to sleep.

 

That pair of fucks deserve to see it coming. Perhaps we can get that Finnish fella to put them in his hydraulic press. See how they like it.

[Mick]

 

 

 

posted this earlier in another thread.

 

 

went to Hillsborough one time mid 80s, went on normal bus service- not supporters coaches, getting off at Sheffield we were put in police vans, and literally herded into a giant pen at the back of the leppings lane end, this was the morning btw maybe 10am, we had done nothing wrong. we were held there with no food no drink no toilets until the gate to the match were opened.

 

sheff utd- 90 promotion game, stopped vans driving into Sheffield and escorted us all back to Durham, despite having tickets and no offence had been commited, other than maybe shouldn't carry people in vans.

 

 

Was also at that spurs game- 87,got separated from my dad, I watched the game from the top of a fence as there was no room on the terracing.

 

South Yorkshire and Nottingham were as close as we've been to becoming a police state.

[Mick]

 

That pair of f***s deserve to see it coming. Perhaps we can get that Finnish fella to put them in his hydraulic press. See how they like it.

 

The list of people who should do time must be massive, the cover-up is of biblical proportions.  I feel really sorry for the families who have had this hanging over them for so long and even more so for the family members who didn't live to see the verdict.

[Guest chopey]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

[Mick]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

 

 

When Keegan arrived as a player the 2nd game seemed to have more in than the QPR game but the official figures had it lower, no chance.

[cp40]

I must admit there were times in the 80's standing in the scoreboard section of the Gallowgate that I was genuinely scared of us scoring a goal because of the surge forward and then I got home read The Pink and found there was only supposedly 19000 in the ground

 

 

most packed I found the scoreboard was by coincidence against Liverpool mid 80s, 35k in ground, was truly rammed that day.

[Dave]

That statement from the off-duty officer.

[Fugazi]

Not a single mention on the front page of The Sun

[brummie]

Imagine going through this, followed by 27 years of lies and smears.

 

Disgusting.

 

At the gymnasium, families were made to queue outside in the cold, clear night, then eventually brought in and told to look through Polaroid photographs of all those who died, not grouped by age or gender. Families whose loved ones had bus passes or other identifying documents on them were also made to go through this process. When their dead relatives were brought out to them, they were in those body bags. Several parents testified that they were told they could not hold or kiss their dead children because they were “the property of the coroner”.

 

Dr Stefan Popper, the coroner, who approved the arrangements, ordered blood samples to be taken from all victims and tested for alcohol – even the children, including Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest, aged 10. It has now been revealed that some people lying injured in hospital also had their blood taken and tested for alcohol. Popper has never fully explained why he decided it was appropriate to take and test people’s blood.

[Big Geordie]

Not a single mention on the front page of The Sun

 

Why would there be? I wouldn't wipe me arse with that rag.

[Heron]

Seriously?

[Fugazi]

[Foluwashola]

Suppose they'd get stick either way tbf.

 

Still hope everyone associated with the paper lives a horrible existence.

[NUFCDoog]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

[NJS]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

There were 10100 standing places - how many ticketless fans would there have to have been to have had the effect you imply - 2000? 3000?

 

Yeah, right.

 

 

[Disco]

Imagine going through this, followed by 27 years of lies and smears.

 

Disgusting.

 

At the gymnasium, families were made to queue outside in the cold, clear night, then eventually brought in and told to look through Polaroid photographs of all those who died, not grouped by age or gender. Families whose loved ones had bus passes or other identifying documents on them were also made to go through this process. When their dead relatives were brought out to them, they were in those body bags. Several parents testified that they were told they could not hold or kiss their dead children because they were “the property of the coroner”.

 

Dr Stefan Popper, the coroner, who approved the arrangements, ordered blood samples to be taken from all victims and tested for alcohol – even the children, including Jon-Paul Gilhooley, the youngest, aged 10. It has now been revealed that some people lying injured in hospital also had their blood taken and tested for alcohol. Popper has never fully explained why he decided it was appropriate to take and test people’s blood.

 

"Animals" not people. Divide and conquer.

[Heron]

It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

[Disco]

It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely fucking disgusting.

[Heron]

It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.

 

Aye. How could you live your life pretending this never happened man?!

[Disco]

It's the cover ups that make this disgusting. If the truth came out immediately those culpable would have served their time by now and football would have moved on. People make mistakes (albeit not many as costly as this). The fact it's become a complex web of lies is disgusting though. Sick.

 

They thought they could get away with it and they very nearly did. Absolutely f***ing disgusting.

 

Aye. How could you live your life pretending this never happened man?!

 

I can only assume because you have no conscience and are a selfish and egotistical beyond control or because you're a total heartless bastard with no compassion for your fellow man.

[Mick]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

They also robbed their own dead and dying fans and pissed on the police. 

 

How do you know how many turned up without tickets?  Did they have a special queue for them?

[Bimpy474]

The Police's actions on the day were terrible but not for one minute do i think they meant to kill anyone. But what happened did cost lives, so the police are to blame, in exactly the way they were found to be today, unlawful deaths down to their actions. The stadium standards back then wouldn't have helped either but that's not an excuse for them.

 

But the cover up is the single most abhorrent thing. The police being inept at their job isn't a crime, covering up The Hillsborough Disaster to save your own skin is. There are no excuses for that and those responsible for it should have the full force of justice thrown at them.

 

 

[Wullie]

Happy they have got their peace.

 

To be honest though - to exonarate Liverpool fans of ALL blame is hard to accept. Loads of them turned up without tickets and attempted to get into the stadium (most did). That is a fact.

 

So yes, ultimately the actions of the police and how they worked that game caused the deaths of so many fans, however, had the ticketless fans not.turned up and tried/got into the stadium, then elements and the huge scale of the disaster could have been avoided.

 

Police were primarily to blame but there.is no way you can say Liverpool fans played absolutely no part of it at all.

 

Is it? Genuine question. Obviously there's going to be one or two, but as NJS implies, you can't just say there were 'loads' without a source and use that as some sort of excuse to point blame at the fans, unless it's an extremely large scale issue.

 

It's similar to when the police tried to use alcohol as an excuse - yes you're going to have drunk people at a football match. How many of us that have travelled away can claim we've never gone into a ground at least fairly pissed? A minority I would imagine,  but that's not the same as saying that if we'd been crushed to death at any of those matches, it would have been our fault. The police know some people at a football match will be drunk. It's part of the reason they are there, and they're supposed to deal with the issue in a sensible and fair manner. That goes for football matches in the same way it goes for concert, festivals, whatever.

 

Thought the point in the David Conn article in the Guardian about local bins being half full, and mainly containing empty cans of Vimto was very pertinent.

[Superior Acuña]

Tucked away at page 10

http://40.media.tumblr.com/86dfedb24a619a98b91da77264528c6d/tumblr_o69hc7isCO1u5f06vo1_1280.jpg

 

twats

[summerof69]

And people will continue, to buy that horrible paper. Would love it if, the whole country boycotted the sun.