Jordan Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I like how he always looks for the short pass instead of a hoof. I lost patience with Williamson last season and would let him go for anything to another club as long as he was replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The let him go for anything is a pathetic attitude, especially in a thread where people are wanking over a player they probably had the same opinion of not that long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Just wish those who seem to always need a scapegoat would learn and lay off Obertan or whoever else it is they're getting on to at any given time. The high horse brigade are hilarious at times Ridiculous isn't it. I particularly like the 'scapegoat' angle. A scapegoat for what exactly? We had a tremendous season last year, we didn't need a scapegoat, Obertan was just rightly called up on being shit. It's the same this year. I don't condone abusing our own players or booing or any of that but people are going to get frustrated when you're continually shit, that's football. Except the high horse brigade sometimes get it spectacularly wrong. Perch is a prime example. He was getting lambasted on here initially, but even in the early days he showed he had tremendous pace and was a very good tackler. Coloccini and Enrique are two more defenders who also showed glimpses of talent but were too quickly jumped upon by the critics but had massive potential if you were prepared to see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Just wish those who seem to always need a scapegoat would learn and lay off Obertan or whoever else it is they're getting on to at any given time. The high horse brigade are hilarious at times Ridiculous isn't it. I particularly like the 'scapegoat' angle. A scapegoat for what exactly? We had a tremendous season last year, we didn't need a scapegoat, Obertan was just rightly called up on being shit. It's the same this year. I don't condone abusing our own players or booing or any of that but people are going to get frustrated when you're continually shit, that's football. Except the high horse brigade sometimes get it spectacularly wrong. Perch is a prime example. He was getting lambasted on here initially, but even in the early days he showed he had tremendous pace and was a very good tackler. Coloccini and Enrique are two more defenders who also showed glimpses of talent but were too quickly jumped upon by the critics but had massive potential if you were prepared to see it. Couldn't disagree more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Tremendous pace. He started off absolutely terribly at right back. He's still absolutely terrible at right back. Very useful elsewhere, particularly in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How many times have you seen him done for pace at right back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 He was slow in his decision making (ie always a second too late in the tackle) but never looked physically slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How many times have you seen him done for pace at right back? He doesn't go forward though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 How many times have you seen him done for pace at right back? Why do you think he was the first ever player to get booked in his first five Premier League games (not to mention a very clumsy tackle at Wolves that was a stonewall penalty not given)? Doesn't sound like a lightning quick, tremendous tackler to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 When we bought Perch, the only view I had of him was at right back as a Forest player against Gutierrez who tried to get round him several times and got snuffed out every time. Jonas tried going inside and outside and got caught every time and Jonas isn't slow. Even his poor performances in the early days in the Premier were down to nerves inexperience rather than his lack of pace IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Don't think Perch has ever looked particularly comfortable at right back. His evolution into 'Perchinho' basically happened when injuries meant he started getting games at CB and CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 He's better at right-back now than those first five PL games, like. He's still pretty poor there, but he's improved. Best positions for him are CB and DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 When we bought Perch, the only view I had of him was at right back as a Forest player against Gutierrez who tried to get round him several times and got snuffed out every time. Jonas tried going inside and outside and got caught every time and Jonas isn't slow. Even his poor performances in the early days in the Premier were down to nerves inexperience rather than his lack of pace IMO. Much as I love Jonas, when playing as a pacey winger he gets snuffed out nearly every game he plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Don't think Perch has ever looked particularly comfortable at right back. His evolution into 'Perchinho' basically happened when injuries meant he started getting games at CB and CM. Or it might have been recognition by the fans of a job well done wherever he's been asked to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Yeah, mainly at CB and CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 In any case, he's still here and worth a hell of a lot more than those who slagged him last season. There's not much argument about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 So what's the argument here? A player who plays badly can't be criticized? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 So what's the argument here? A player who plays badly can't be criticized? The argument is to look for a player's value before writing him off. Even if you yourself personally have to look like an anonymous cyber twit in the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 When we bought Perch, the only view I had of him was at right back as a Forest player against Gutierrez who tried to get round him several times and got snuffed out every time. Jonas tried going inside and outside and got caught every time and Jonas isn't slow. Even his poor performances in the early days in the Premier were down to nerves inexperience rather than his lack of pace IMO. Much as I love Jonas, when playing as a pacey winger he gets snuffed out nearly every game he plays. True story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 So what's the argument here? A player who plays badly can't be criticized? The argument is to look for a player's value before writing him off. Even if you yourself personally have to look like an anonymous cyber twit in the process. That's fair enough although I think it's a red herring. A player like Obertan may have value, that's for other clubs to decide, doesn't make him any better a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Happy birthday you beautiful man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Saw him at the Metro Centre a few weeks ago - he was 10-pin bowling with his family. Literally dozens of people tapping him up for pics (my kids included), and he couldn't have been a nicer bloke. I told him his was one of the biggest turnarounds I've ever seen from a Newcastle player and asked him what he thinks of the "Perchinho" chant. He laughed and said he loved it. The whole episode made me absurdly happy. I've met him a few times and as you say, he's a lovely bloke. Made up for him. Exactly the type of person we want in our club and contrast that to some of the dicks we had 5-10 years ago. He is now an invaluable player for us with the versatility and attitude he brings and was excellent again on Sunday. The appalling behaviour of some of our "fans" towards him initially just ticks another box as it proves he has the mental strength needed too. Just wish those who seem to always need a scapegoat would learn and lay off Obertan or whoever else it is they're getting on to at any given time. Couldn't agree more. Some of the criticism of our players is so often unwarranted and unjustified - see Harper for the most recent example of someone getting a load of misguided crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 3 points tomorrow would be the perfect birthday present for Perchinio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Happy Birthday Perchy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 3 points tomorrow would be the perfect birthday present for Perchinio Well it would be late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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