macphisto Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Right up until the closure of the window I thought they would have got someone but in hindsight (wonderful thing) it's plain to see that there’s no half truths about it, they never had any intention of bringing in a striker. The very fact that we didn’t off load one of our current strikers during the window says it all as they would never have kept 5 strikers on the books (I feel annoyed about not picking this up at the time). For the club to say that we couldn’t find a striker better than what we’ve got for a reasonable price is just insulting. If the statement is true and it’s not but if it is then Graham Carr should be sacked already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Right up until the closure of the window I thought they would have got someone but in hindsight (wonderful thing) it's plain to see that theres no half truths about it, they never had any intention of bringing in a striker. The very fact that we didnt off load one of our current strikers during the window says it all as they would never have kept 5 strikers on the books (I feel annoyed about not picking this up at the time). For the club to say that we couldnt find a striker better than what weve got for a reasonable price is just insulting. If the statement is true and its not but if it is then Graham Carr should be sacked already. Carr? All he can do is identify the targets, if Llambias fucks up getting them signed that's not his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 How can people blame Graham Carr for this he's scouted the players, that's his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He might feel his effort is better appreciated elsewhere, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 It's a crap statement, but honestly the reactions are hilarious in here. What exactly are you expecting him to say? I'm still puzzled as to why they've released a statement at all. No need for it. who knows maybe they've decided to communicate more since thats been a regular criticism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Right up until the closure of the window I thought they would have got someone but in hindsight (wonderful thing) it's plain to see that there’s no half truths about it, they never had any intention of bringing in a striker. The very fact that we didn’t off load one of our current strikers during the window says it all as they would never have kept 5 strikers on the books (I feel annoyed about not picking this up at the time). For the club to say that we couldn’t find a striker better than what we’ve got for a reasonable price is just insulting. If the statement is true and it’s not but if it is then Graham Carr should be sacked already. What a load of absolute trash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 How can people blame Graham Carr for this he's scouted the players, that's his job. Madness. He seems to be the one cog that's functioning at an acceptable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He might feel his effort is better appreciated elsewhere, though. Hopefully he'll be satisfied with identifying the bargain players the club wants and seeing them do well on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Amazing statement. I for one am placated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Read my post fully and you'll see I wasn't blaming Carr. I was pointing out that if the club was serious about buying a new striker then Carr would have been at fault as it would have been one of the easiest jobs in football to identify players who are better than the current strikers at the club. By the way Prophet I like the way you don't say why my statement is a load of rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He should have kept his mouth shut I've never ever seen a statement from a chairman explain transfer window failings. They fucked up, we knew that. Amateurish once again. Damned if they do, damned if they don't to be honest. Everyone was crying out for a statement, they make one, shouldn't have made a statement. or Everyone was crying for a statement, they don't make one, they get reamed for not making one. Either way they lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 You're right they can't win, people are so pissed off now (rightly in some cases, wrongly in others) that every event relating to NUFC is an excuse to be negative. Even our great start to the season has been glossed over far too much. Guess it's understandable, the transfer window is designed to concentrate everyone's hopes into a few hours and drive them mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Read my post fully and you'll see I wasn't blaming Carr. I was pointing out that if the club was serious about buying a new striker then Carr would have been at fault as it would have been one of the easiest jobs in football to identify players who are better than the current strikers at the club. By the way Prophet I like the way you don't say why my statement is a load of rubbish. Read through your quote and tbh you blame Carr and cannot wriggle out of that one ,Carr identifies and leaves it to the clowns to get them . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Love the way he had to mull it over for a day and a half before coming out with that inane drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Guess it's understandable, the transfer window is designed to concentrate everyone's hopes into a few hours and drive them mental. LOL, we had 8 months to get a striker ffs But we're mental I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Who was crying out for a statement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He should have kept his mouth shut I've never ever seen a statement from a chairman explain transfer window failings. They f***ed up, we knew that. Amateurish once again. Damned if they do, damned if they don't to be honest. Everyone was crying out for a statement, they make one, shouldn't have made a statement. or Everyone was crying for a statement, they don't make one, they get reamed for not making one. Either way they lose. Not really, they could attempt to put out a statement that doesn't try being condescending, insulting our intelligence and admit they've actually failed the supporters once again. Is it really too much to ask for the owners of this football club to show a little accountability to the people who define it's very existence ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Guess it's understandable, the transfer window is designed to concentrate everyone's hopes into a few hours and drive them mental. LOL, we had 8 months to get a striker ffs But we're mental I guess. I know that, I meant that the tension and expectation is concentrated into a very short space of time. It's fair enough saying we had months, but the transfer window never seems to work like that for any club. Otherwise they'd all have their deals in place and everything would be sorted the day the window opened. I know you know this though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 If they're going to the trouble of making a statement it ought to actually say something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 This is an internet forum so hyperbole and exagerration rule the day. I am disappointed, but I was more angry during the Gullit, Souness and Allardyce regimes than I am now at Pardew. I would guess I am not alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The real issue here is that we have an incredibly stingy owner. It's as simple as that. The guy is only interested in getting bargain deals. I don't even think it's an issue of not wanting to spend money or not buy players tbh. The problem this last window is that we needed to get a striker who had somewhat of a goalscoring record. Finding a striker with a record of scoring goals at a bargain is damn near impossible. Simple. I find this annoying, because you can't help but feel they continued doggedly down this path to nowhere, and so didn't even consider someone who was maybe not as proven, but more of an up and comer e.g. Roux, which is the only way they would have been able to get the kind of value they were after. It just wasn't good enough. The policy is way too restrictive and for proven goalscorers in particular, it really does have to be loosened up some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Read my post fully and you'll see I wasn't blaming Carr. I was pointing out that if the club was serious about buying a new striker then Carr would have been at fault as it would have been one of the easiest jobs in football to identify players who are better than the current strikers at the club. By the way Prophet I like the way you don't say why my statement is a load of rubbish. Read through your quote and tbh you blame Carr and cannot wriggle out of that one ,Carr identifies and leaves it to the clowns to get them . I'm being serious here, where am I blaming Carr in this statement: "If the statement is true and it’s not but if it is then Graham Carr should be sacked already." I was saying that if we took the club statement to be true then in my opinion Carr would be to blame but I acknowledge that the statement is not true so by implication this is not the fault of Carr. That's not wriggling out of it, it's what I said. What I am saying is that for my mind in view of our current strike force the following does not compute: Board serious about buying a striker+good scout=no striker Obviously I think the board was not serious but I was making the point that if their statement was true then I would blame Carr for our failure to sign a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The real issue here is that we have an incredibly stingy owner. It's as simple as that. The guy is only interested in getting bargain deals. I don't even think it's an issue of not wanting to spend money or not buy players tbh. The problem this last window is that we needed to get a striker who had somewhat of a goalscoring record. Finding a striker with a record of scoring goals at a bargain is damn near impossible. Simple. I find this annoying, because you can't help but feel they continued doggedly down this path to nowhere, and so didn't even consider someone who was maybe not as proven, but more of an up and comer e.g. Roux, which is the only way they would have been able to get the kind of value they were after. It just wasn't good enough. The policy is way too restrictive and for proven goalscorers in particular, it really does have to be loosened up some. I basically agree with this, Ashley just doesn't want to be ripped off and will always push for a good deal. This will have pros and cons for us. One of the cons is that if we have a need for very specific type of player, and he has to be a lot better than the players we already have on the books, it might stop us releasing enough money to get him. In a less likely but possible scenario, we would identify a Tiote/Cabaye/Santon type signing - a quality player who is underpriced. For whatever reason we didn't manage to do that for a second striker this time. Still wonder if we'd be having the striker discussion in the same way if Ba had banged in two or three goals already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Who was crying out for a statement? like anyone take notes. There were plenty who called for a statement around the end of the deadline and the day after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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