Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The top managers usually go to the top clubs or those who are willing to pay very silly money. One bad move to a unstable club and it could end their career. We take a gamble (one I wasn't happy with) we far exceed expectations despite playing the worst football ever apparently and some are looking to upgrade despite the long list of s*** managers we have had since 2004 (barring Hughton really). Forgetting Souness, Allardyce (touted by HTT as better than Pardew), Roeder, Kinnear etc.. Managerial appointments often go very wrong, not sure why some want to change up when we have one going good. Living is a fantasy land of a mass of quality football managers desperate to have a go with us. As i said if we find a replacement for Pardew, he must be a top manager if not dont risk the transition period. We have being through many s*** managers since Bobby but not one has being a top manager. Still waiting for the club to open to eyes really. Didier Claude Deschamps actually made some real position comments when we had the position available, and look who we go on and employ. Realistically though, who else could possibly work under the conditions Ashley has set? Jamie and the magic f***ing torch the way this lad is going on Find a manager who doesn't need a transition period? Keegan is the only person I can see capable of that and I can't see him coming back any time soon. Read the post, if not for a top class manager ( who would have a better chance or likely to get it right) or dont risk another average manager through another transitition Every manager, be it a top class one or an average one, has to go through a transitional period at a new club (that is, he has get to know the players already at the club; bring in his own personne/get rid of people from the old regimel if need be - essentially it's a massive shake up/new era/new style etc). You silly boy, quality manager = instant, guaranteed success. It's how logic works. Well i guess it has never happen in the history of football. I am so native. not bother to have a discussion over your allegations. Imo The role of the manager plays too big a part to be ignore long term and if someone clearly better than Pardew comes along and is Willing to join us. Why not? But its seems impossible to some that a rare thing like that might actually materialize. I guess a manager has never struggled/failed to fit in at a club either, you are the one talking about the importance of a manager immediately transitioning into a club. The point is why risk a manager who is exceeding expectations and doing better than any manager we have had in 6-7 years in the hope someone who has never managed in this league will do better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Lets talk football instead, are we much better under Pardew than Hughton. Put the prospective that we have improve and better players now. I would like to hear a strong basis of support with whats happening on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Pardew's doing a really good job so it's mad to want to get rid of him. Think even HTT would agree it would be foolish to try and replace him right now - would do nothing but add to more instability when what we need is a few years of steady improvement. Our owner is also highly erratic and idiosyncratic, which means he's a problem waiting to blow up for most managers, even someone as placid and diplomatic as Hughton - but thankfully Pardew has his ear, for now at least, so we should take advantage of that. We've also got an improving scouting set-up and a basic idea to blood youngsters and Pardew seems to buy into some of that - why disrupt things that are going smoothly? Also, does anyone really trust Mike and Derek to identify the right replacement? Saying all that I don't think he's "massively overachieved" as some have said - a good job yes, but i think Liverpool are the only side better than us who we're above in the league, and we were after all an unprofessional 45 mins away from finishing 8th last year. I'd be disappointed if Everton, Stoke, the mackems, Norwich or Villa etc were above us. I thought Everton would be at the start of the season, but it's pretty clear now that they're not as good as they have been for the past few years. I reckon 7th is about our natural level right now, so 6th is overachievement, but not massively so. Of course Pardew deserves some credit for helping structure the squad we have though it's unclear the extent to which ins and outs were his doing. On top of that there are a few issues about his management, the bad to go with the good - even Robson and Keegan had much publicised weak spots. Arguing that they don't exist because we're 6th is stupid, though not as much as people saying he's all bad or merely another Souness. A very well thought out, reasonable post You big gay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Always thought Deschamps was pretty average tbh. Comes across like a dick too. If for some reason Pardew left tomorrow i'd like us to take a look at Brendan Rodgers. Reckon Owen Coyle wouldn't be a bad shout either, even though Bolton have fallen off the edge of the world this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Lets ignore the actual results/league table, are we doing significantly better than we were under the manager the majority liked? Fyp. I loved Hughton very, very much but our performances under both were similar. There was a bit of stick for Hughton not being able to beat the weaker side and I seem to remember a few murmurs of discontent when we were under the cosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The top managers usually go to the top clubs or those who are willing to pay very silly money. One bad move to a unstable club and it could end their career. We take a gamble (one I wasn't happy with) we far exceed expectations despite playing the worst football ever apparently and some are looking to upgrade despite the long list of s*** managers we have had since 2004 (barring Hughton really). Forgetting Souness, Allardyce (touted by HTT as better than Pardew), Roeder, Kinnear etc.. Managerial appointments often go very wrong, not sure why some want to change up when we have one going good. Living is a fantasy land of a mass of quality football managers desperate to have a go with us. As i said if we find a replacement for Pardew, he must be a top manager if not dont risk the transition period. We have being through many s*** managers since Bobby but not one has being a top manager. Still waiting for the club to open to eyes really. Didier Claude Deschamps actually made some real position comments when we had the position available, and look who we go on and employ. Realistically though, who else could possibly work under the conditions Ashley has set? Jamie and the magic f***ing torch the way this lad is going on Find a manager who doesn't need a transition period? Keegan is the only person I can see capable of that and I can't see him coming back any time soon. Read the post, if not for a top class manager ( who would have a better chance or likely to get it right) or dont risk another average manager through another transitition Every manager, be it a top class one or an average one, has to go through a transitional period at a new club (that is, he has get to know the players already at the club; bring in his own personne/get rid of people from the old regimel if need be - essentially it's a massive shake up/new era/new style etc). You silly boy, quality manager = instant, guaranteed success. It's how logic works. Well i guess it has never happen in the history of football. I am so native. not bother to have a discussion over your allegations. Imo The role of the manager plays too big a part to be ignore long term and if someone clearly better than Pardew comes along and is Willing to join us. Why not? But its seems impossible to some that a rare thing like that might actually materialize. I guess a manager has never struggled/failed to fit in at a club either, you are the one talking about the importance of a manager immediately transitioning into a club. The point is why risk a manager who is exceeding expectations and doing better than any manager we have had in 6-7 years in the hope someone who has never managed in this league will do better? Repeat my post clearly better than Pardew ( Apart from Van gaal have no one in mind now), Didi Deschamps brought up only because he showed interest in the job many years ago and we went on to employed Sam Allardyce. ( Not sure about which shit manager it was) Said Pardew can stay to prove himself that he can lead us consistently higher. But not confident abut his football and tactics. If a clearly better manager, and all the stars line up , Why Not. Good Managers are not available on the market for long periods just like players are. Its also the right time and opportunities . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I dunno like, Alan Scott Pardew may not have changed the style as much as he likes to think but there's no denying results have been much better than they were under Christopher William Gerard Hughton and he's certainly an improvement on previous managers such as Joseph Patrick Kinnear and Glenn Victor Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Dontooner Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Lets ignore the actual results/league table, are we doing significantly better than we were under the manager the majority liked? Fyp. I loved Hughton very, very much but our performances under both were similar. There was a bit of stick for Hughton not being able to beat the weaker side and I seem to remember a few murmurs of discontent when we were under the cosh. Adding the prospective that we have improve players especially Ba which is so very important for his finishes i reckon we might actually tread quite close to where we are. "maybe" 2 -3 places from 6th, just stating Pardew isnt a clear mark improvement if we have better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I dunno like, Alan Scott Pardew may not have changed the style as much as he likes to think but there's no denying results have been much better than they were under Christopher William Gerard Hughton and he's certainly an improvement on previous managers such as Joseph Patrick Kinnear and Glenn Victor Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Wanted to discuss football, once again very little input, many random stuff. I got to stop trying really...bitter waste of effort..i will stop now and join the Pardew Wagon. Make way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Little input = doesn't agree with what you say. Glad you are going to stop trying though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Lets ignore the actual results/league table, are we doing significantly better than we were under the manager the majority liked? Fyp. I loved Hughton very, very much but our performances under both were similar. There was a bit of stick for Hughton not being able to beat the weaker side and I seem to remember a few murmurs of discontent when we were under the cosh. Adding the prospective that we have improve players especially Ba which is so very important for his finishes i reckon we might actually tread quite close to where we are. "maybe" 2 -3 places from 6th, just stating Pardew isnt a clear mark improvement if we have better players. You should add the perspective that not all managers wouldve signed Ba in the first place. The debate is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I dunno like, Alan Scott Pardew may not have changed the style as much as he likes to think but there's no denying results have been much better than they were under Christopher William Gerard Hughton and he's certainly an improvement on previous managers such as Joseph Patrick Kinnear and Glenn Victor Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I think Shak has come into this thread and dismantled the anti Pardew agenda with one well constructed post. Cap doffed to him. Considering where we are after what's gone on in the last few years...and people are still unhappy? It's genuinely laughable. It's not enough now to just win games....we must win with fabulous football. How many teams achieve this? Nobody will tell me that Manchester City serve up wondrous stuff, but f***ing hell I wish we were as effective. I seem to remember Shak dismantling the anti Souness agenda not too long before Souness was sacked. In my defense, I was off my face on drugs pretty much all the time back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 An excellent retort if ever i'd seen one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 He's a decent manager, nothing special and he's been lucky that Ba has scored from anything that moves. [/lock it] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 In my defense, I was off my face on drugs pretty much all the time back then. The only defence you need is for the use of the word defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Xzibit-On-Planking.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I dunno like, Alan Scott Pardew may not have changed the style as much as he likes to think but there's no denying results have been much better than they were under Christopher William Gerard Hughton and he's certainly an improvement on previous managers such as Joseph Patrick Kinnear and Glenn Victor Roeder. excellent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 That FA cup defeat to Brighton...what a tactical masterpiece that was in hindsight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I dunno like, Alan Scott Pardew may not have changed the style as much as he likes to think but there's no denying results have been much better than they were under Christopher William Gerard Hughton and he's certainly an improvement on previous managers such as Joseph Patrick Kinnear and Glenn Victor Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 We should be looking to dominate games more imo. Our points tally is fantastic and nobody can argue with it, but I think if you look at it objectively and try and think of the number of games in which we've dominated, created plenty of chances, given them nothing and won with something to spare, you could probably count them on one hand. Certainly as we go into the late stages of the season with as close to a full strength squad as we're likely to see this season with only Taylor and the lesser spotted Marveaux as long-term absentees, I'd like to see some more comfortable wins coming our way, starting with Wolves who we should be looking to fly at from the kick off. We need to create a lot more chances than we do imo - our success has been by generally staying solid and having the most clinical striker in the division on the end of a paucity of chances but if we created as many chances as some of the teams around us with Ba and Cisse on the end of them, we could be putting teams to the sword in the first half as Spurs did to us last week. With our available current front six, we shouldn't be lining up to fear anybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Agreed. It would be nice to actually enjoy the last ten minutes of a match rather than furiously checking the watch every ten seconds. We really should be looking to run in a few past Wolves who have looked woeful on the occasions I've seen them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 We should be looking to dominate games more imo. Our points tally is fantastic and nobody can argue with it, but I think if you look at it objectively and try and think of the number of games in which we've dominated, created plenty of chances, given them nothing and won with something to spare, you could probably count them on one hand. Certainly as we go into the late stages of the season with as close to a full strength squad as we're likely to see this season with only Taylor and the lesser spotted Marveaux as long-term absentees, I'd like to see some more comfortable wins coming our way, starting with Wolves who we should be looking to fly at from the kick off. We need to create a lot more chances than we do imo - our success has been by generally staying solid and having the most clinical striker in the division on the end of a paucity of chances but if we created as many chances as some of the teams around us with Ba and Cisse on the end of them, we could be putting teams to the sword in the first half as Spurs did to us last week. With our available current front six, we shouldn't be lining up to fear anybody. Summed up perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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