Tooj Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 They'll end up with Sahin, Arteta, Wilshere, Rosicky, Cazorla and Ramsey, with only Frimpong and Coquelin as players who can sit in front of the back four. Both are far from proven so Wenger should really go out for M'Vila at all costs. Not that Wenger ever does what he should though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Sahin is a different type of player to Song but I don't think he's particularly worse. Good replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Now that's a decent signing but it doesn't stop them being significantly worse than last season. Not sure I agree, they've lost RVP and Song but gained Podolski, Carzola, Giroud and Sahin. If those signings work out then I think they'll do pretty well. Exactly Podolski than anyone they played on the left season, Cazorla is better than Ramsey or Rosicky, Sahin is better than Song. Ok RVP is better than Giroud but the rest of the team is much better. As for a stopper, that only is relevant if they play direct and back to front, but if they play a possession game they don't need one. If you look at the majority of the best teams most of them don't have a destructive force in front of the back 4, it's simply not where football is going. Arsenal's problem is organisation, pressing and overall off the ball defensively as a whole team not any individuals IMO. If they can improve their organisation, pressing and overall off the ball defensive work as a team they will do well, but that's been the case for years. They have good individual defensive players but Wenger just doesn't seem focused on making them work as a unit and no player will magically fix that IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Now that's a decent signing but it doesn't stop them being significantly worse than last season. Not sure I agree, they've lost RVP and Song but gained Podolski, Carzola, Giroud and Sahin. If those signings work out then I think they'll do pretty well. Exactly Podolski than anyone they played on the left season, Cazorla is better than Ramsey or Rosicky, Sahin is better than Song. Ok RVP is better than Giroud but the rest of the team is much better. As for a stopper, that only is relevant if they play direct and back to front, but if they play a possession game they don't need one. If you look at the majority of the best teams most of them don't have a destructive force in front of the back 4, it's simply not where football is going. Arsenal's problem is organisation, pressing and overall off the ball defensively as a whole team not any individuals IMO. If they can improve their organisation, pressing and overall off the ball defensive work as a team they will do well, but that's been the case for years. They have good individual defensive players but Wenger just doesn't seem focused on making them work as a unit and no player will magically fix that IMO. The best teams in the world can afford to not have a defensive destroyer because they have excellent back lines. Arsenal's back 4 is certainly suspect. Song was the missing link between the backline and attacking midfield, I'm not convinced Sahin can be that player (in terms of providing adequate defensive cover). Sahin is almost like-for-like with Wilshere. And I really think they're going to have problems finishing this year. Not really impressed by Giroud and neither Gervinho or Podolski are strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Arsenal will need a DM now that Song is off to Barcelona. Sahin is a deep-lying playmaker, so not very ideal as a direct replacement. Great player though. And yeah, glad he's not off to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordstrom Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Sky Sports @SkySports Sky Sports sources understand Swansea are in talks with Celtic over signing Ki Sung-yueng. I would be proper jealous if that transfer goes through. Not so much for footballing reasons but more along the lines of oldtype fanboyism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Song was a CM last season though..... Arteta was the player doing the Busquets role in front of the back 4. Arteta-Sahin-Cazorla is basically a poor mans Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta in style and ability but if the press properly and improve their overall defensive organisation it will work. I'm assuming Arsenal are hoping bringing in Steve Bould as assistant will improve them defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I honestly think both Podolski and Giroud will struggle this season. They'll get a few goals between them but no where enough to make up for losing Van Persie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Song was hardly a disciplined defensive midfielder though. He plays as if he thinks he's Zidane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I honestly think both Podolski and Giroud will struggle this season. They'll get a few goals between them but no where enough to make up for losing Van Persie. Agree. Not impressed with those signings at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I honestly think both Podolski and Giroud will struggle this season. They'll get a few goals between them but no where enough to make up for losing Van Persie. Aye, none of them strike me as a natural goalscorer like RvP really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Song was hardly a disciplined defensive midfielder though. He plays as if he thinks he's Zidane. Exactly, he hasn't been a holding player for at least 2 years, Arteta is miles better than him at that job i'm not sure why people label him as a DM. He hasn't been one for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I honestly think both Podolski and Giroud will struggle this season. They'll get a few goals between them but no where enough to make up for losing Van Persie. Agree. Not impressed with those signings at all. Top scorer in France and one of Germany's all-time top scorers in his prime. They look good on paper, but I can sort of agree. Giroud is a bit one paced and Podolski has flopped at big club's before. Will be interested to see how they do. I think they're about as good as Arsenal could have bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Song was hardly a disciplined defensive midfielder though. He plays as if he thinks he's Zidane. Exactly, he hasn't been a holding player for at least 2 years, Arteta is miles better than him at that job i'm not sure why people label him as a DM. He hasn't been one for ages. True enough, but Arsenal still lack sheer physicality, really throughout that team, but especially in the centre of midfield. They aren't sharp enough with their passing to mask it, imo. Giroud will be very useful for them, doing a much better job of what Chamakh and Bendtner have tried to provide in the past, but he cannot lead them over the course of a campaign with the consistency of Van Persie. I don't think Podolski is as much of a goal scorer as his record indicates. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I think it is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I really don't know what Arsenal should do with their front 3. Podolski - Giroud - Walcott Gervinho - Podolski - Walcott Podolski - Gervinho - Walcott Hell we might even see Walcott as a center striker more this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think Arsenal could get away with the lack of physical power if they pressed properly and focused more on off the ball organisation. Arsenal's problem is system based not personnel based. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 what's this about song being offered only a 2 year deal by Barca? Is it true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 what's this about song being offered only a 2 year deal by Barca? Is it true? Five year deal according to their own website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Arsenal will do better than last season. Will be funny to see the backtracking later on too. Ridiculous doom mongering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Oops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 http://www.gelderlander.nl/sport/vitesse/11555363/Buttner-van-Vitesse-naar-Manchester-United.ece The deal between the two clubs, according to sources close to the club and the player around. Both parties give no response. Büttner must still undergo a medical examination at the club from Manchester. Which would take place Monday already. Vitesse was Friday miljoenenbod of club Manchester United on the 23-year-old Does Inch Bucket and had to decide this weekend. Büttner has already agreed with his 'dream club'. He will be teammate of fellow countryman Robin van Persie, who moved from Arsenal for the Mancunians. Earlier Büttner seemed to go to Southampton, but that deal fell through because of a dispute over an additional commission. Of this, the deal with Manchester no question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Not having a dig but I'm fucking sick of reading broken English now like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 1-2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm in the wrong thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Wouldn't call an inch a bucket, 2 or 3 maybe but only an inch seems a little harsh on her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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