Ameritoon Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 His first appearance for us was up top and he looked dangerous, thought we had something there. Then we started him against Arsenal(?) behind Ba and it was so shit. Either way, decent option for a fourth winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 He came on against Arsenal and looked useful, he then started a lot of games such as Sunderland, Villa and Wolves away and looked absolutely disgusting. His major problem for me is his ball retention, he loses it so fucking often. A lot of our possession breaks down when it goes near him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypirate71 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Pardew just needs to get inside his head. Come on, this is on a plate for someone... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He came on against Arsenal and looked useful, he then started a lot of games such as Sunderland, Villa and Wolves away and looked absolutely disgusting. His major problem for me is his ball retention, he loses it so f***ing often. A lot of our possession breaks down when it goes near him. he's not a ball slinging in winger and seemed held back by hitting 20yds out and being stuck (at that time we had tiote cabaye both playing the same role, no-one hitting the edge of the box from deep). 4-3-3 with at least one of the middle 3 given license to hit the edge of the box would really suit him.........unfortuntaly for him it really suits ben arfa and marveaux aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He suits coming on late in games to race past tired legs, and suits being given the ball when he can run into space rather than having to beat a man himself. Just think whenever you think how bad he was, look at Obertan's price and contribution, then look at Stewart Downing's, then laugh, a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He reminds me of Shola but on the wing. The guy has the tools to be as good as he wants to be but he just doesn't seem to have the hunger and footballing brain to make the extra step. I used to think it was a confidence issue until i saw zero improvement despite his name being an automatic starter on the team sheet. That might be harsh given his injury problems, but he seems scared shitless once he has done any good work and made it to the opposition box. He seems to lack the confidence in his own ability to shoot or take the last man on, which is crazy given the skills he does have. I hope he gets fit and proves the doubters wrong, he can do but I think 80% of his future performances depend on his own state of mind, rather than his physical ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He has no talent, must be put down sooner rather than later, for the greater good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweMatt Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Plenty of speed, but that's it. Like a rabbit trying to avoid getting hurt. Last season he started 18 games and came on as a substitute in 5 games. One (1) goal and three assists as a midfielder without any big defensive responsibilities... He would have to improve passing, physical presence and mental attitude before even being considered a starting eleven. In my humble opinion of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He lacks that cockiness that probably makes him a canny lad, but a footballer that won't fulfill his potential, imo. You can see he has the talent, he's fast and he has skills, but he doesn't seem to have the self-belief to make it effective, or effective over a sustained period of time. As a result of that he looks rubbish, the crowd get on at him, and it makes things worse for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I still believe he will prove to be an excellent signing - needs games, whether thats here or on loan, but really think he has all the tools to be an excellent footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not writing him off either, but it would be nice if he shows obvious improvements. And I think he has to, next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillie Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 He has no talent, must be put down sooner rather than later, for the greater good. ... The Greater Good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordstrom Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Obertan is very tidy squad player who we can bring on when the opposing team is tired (à la Walcott) to exploit his pace. I expect he will be quite useful for the large run-in we have this season. Shouldn't be in starting eleven though unless it is against smaller clubs in the cups and the Europa League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I wouldn't call him a tidy squad player at Premiership level like, or atleast the level that we are/wish to be. Hopefully he will improve, but unlike Best/Perch/Raylor he's come from Man Utd, how many players genuinely improve once they've left there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportnet Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Forlan , Rossi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Pique Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportnet Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Alan Smith etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I wouldn't call him a tidy squad player at Premiership level like, or atleast the level that we are/wish to be. Hopefully he will improve, but unlike Best/Perch/Raylor he's come from Man Utd, how many players genuinely improve once they've left there? Simpson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Can't see him improving at all tbh. Don't agree with anyone who says he's got potential either; he has hardly any attributes whatsoever. He's quick but that is negated by the fact he doesn't have the brain or the confidence to use it. There was no way he should have been low on confidence last season either, considering the amount of faith the manager put into him - so that makes me question his heart. He's got a touch of flair (which we've seen evidence of on about five occasions). It's daft because that goal at Blackburn was like the anti-Obertan; timed his run, used his pace, then provided a composed and tidy finish once he got into the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Inclined to agree with Yorkie really, as much as I'd like him to come good, he just looked TOO shit last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'd agree that the signs haven't looked good. Just think its wise to give time to players following the whole perch-is-shit-but-wow-can't-believe-i'm-saying-this-he's-not-he's-mint carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think he is crap, the same way Colo, Enrique, Perch, Taylor, etc were all crap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think he is crap, the same way Colo, Enrique, Perch, Taylor, etc were all crap No chance, he's crap, the same way Paul Dalglish, Des Hamilton, Guivarc'h etc. were all crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think he is crap, the same way Colo, Enrique, Perch, Taylor, etc were all crap No chance, he's crap, the same way Paul Dalglish, Des Hamilton, Guivarc'h etc. were all crap. ie, we dont know yet until he actually is crap after a few seasons, or great after a few seasons. too early to tell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrSundlofer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 He's got pace, tricks, flair etc. He just don't know how to use it. He's 23 now - and the next two seasons should be vital for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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