loki679 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Every club sells land adjacent to it's southern stand, stop making a big deal of nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Apart from clubs like Portsmouth and Leeds, and look what happened there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 More asset stripping............................. we will be melting Sir Bobbys statue for scrap next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Fair do's, you can obviously see hundreds of years into the future. I mean, I can't rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC. I presume you don't think I'm trying to do that. I just find it hard to get worked up about because I never expected us to be expanding SJP anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Every club sells land adjacent to it's southern stand, stop making a big deal of nothing. Dat humour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Fair do's, you can obviously see hundreds of years into the future. I mean, I can't rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC. I presume you don't think I'm trying to do that. I just find it hard to get worked up about because I never expected us to be expanding SJP anyway. This would "rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC". That's why people are getting worked up. I give up. WUM-tastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Fair do's, you can obviously see hundreds of years into the future. I mean, I can't rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC. I presume you don't think I'm trying to do that. I just find it hard to get worked up about because I never expected us to be expanding SJP anyway. This would "rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC". That's why people are getting worked up. I give up. WUM-tastic. I know it would, quite obviously. My point is that I think it's highly unlikely for a long, long time. BTW it wouldn't rule out, for example, buying back the land or moving to another site. If we really become a European heavyweight requiring a 90k seater ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Fair do's, you can obviously see hundreds of years into the future. I mean, I can't rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC. I presume you don't think I'm trying to do that. I just find it hard to get worked up about because I never expected us to be expanding SJP anyway. This would "rule it out for the entire existence of NUFC". That's why people are getting worked up. I give up. WUM-tastic. I know it would, quite obviously. My point is that I think it's highly unlikely for a long, long time. BTW it wouldn't rule out, for example, buying back the land or moving to another site. If we really become a European heavyweight requiring a 90k seater ground. It would be move to another site IMO, the restrictions behind the East Stand make a proper large expansion impossible. BTW it's not newly up for sale, the brochure for sale states bids by December 2013. Old news being recycled for bites IMO. We don't own the land directly behind the Gallowgate anyway, as far as I know, so that'd have to be bought as well before any work could be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If you look at the area carefully, any expansion go the Gallowgate similar to the Milburn stand would actually take the footprint of the Gallowgate to roughly the curb of the road that is there. Initially when it was first expanded it was thought that it would be more complicated to build there because of the Metro lines but the Metro lines shouldn't pose a problem because they are further south then where the ground would sit and engineering has came on since the last expansion. Any development on the land for sale shouldn't really pose many obstacles in our way. It's a shame to see that the club clearly don't want to expand SJP but on the other hand why should a pice of prime land in the centre of Newcastle go to waste? Yeah the wall of the stand does, but people would have to queue somewhere which would be pretty tricky if the land is taken up by a building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I just assume owning land and leasing it out near a popular and massive football stadium is a lot smarter then selling it off and losing all control of that site. If the cost of using the land to develop the stadium is already prohibitive (£300Mill the article said Shepherd was looking at, years ago) which means extending over aforesaid land is a non runner already. Realising many years worth of "lease" payments "up front" makes perfect business sense. Selling it for £2Mill would be the equivalent of 24 years worth of lease payments, up front. You did not read that article properly. Did like, even if you roll in casino's, conference centre's etc. payback would be unrealistically long. If I remember it was the complexity of any structural work because of the Metro underneath which killed the previous thoughts on expansion, as much as the rules on Casino's, that hasn't gone away. Whatever, expansion of SJP via the Gallowgate is not feasible, from a financial standpoint. Best expansion would be if we can knock down behind the East Stand, which we can't, stupid council and listed buildings holding back the club eh?. If we need to expand, the only way to do it would be a new ground. You obviously didn't like. It would not cost £300m to redevelop the stand, that was the cost of the entire project. The cost of doing both the Leazes and Milburn was £42m and the structural stuff re: the Metro has never been proven AFAIK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If you look at the area carefully, any expansion go the Gallowgate similar to the Milburn stand would actually take the footprint of the Gallowgate to roughly the curb of the road that is there. Initially when it was first expanded it was thought that it would be more complicated to build there because of the Metro lines but the Metro lines shouldn't pose a problem because they are further south then where the ground would sit and engineering has came on since the last expansion. Any development on the land for sale shouldn't really pose many obstacles in our way. It's a shame to see that the club clearly don't want to expand SJP but on the other hand why should a pice of prime land in the centre of Newcastle go to waste? Yeah the wall of the stand does, but people would have to queue somewhere which would be pretty tricky if the land is taken up by a building. Think Stifler is actually on-point with this, I don't see how selling the land over the road would affect expanding the Gallowgate. As others have said the development plans went away with Shepherd really (and probably weren't viable anyway with what happened with MGM). In terms of the queuing they'd just build the stand like the other two, surely? With the road running between (would probably need to be closed on matchdays like). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Really? You someone stating pretty much that exact opinion every other week, Ian. That I want Ashley to do whatever he wants? You appear to have highlighted "want" and have neglected "almost" You're a rascal, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Really? You someone stating pretty much that exact opinion every other week, Ian. That I want Ashley to do whatever he wants? You appear to have highlighted "want" and have neglected "almost" You're a rascal, Ian. What does almost wanting entail like? The points the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You're on the cusp of wanting him to do what he wants, I think. Not really sure where I'm going with this tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I get the feeling the mass hysteria is purely because Mike Ashley. The costs of expanding would far out-way the benefits of a few thousand extra seats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 If you look at the area carefully, any expansion go the Gallowgate similar to the Milburn stand would actually take the footprint of the Gallowgate to roughly the curb of the road that is there. Initially when it was first expanded it was thought that it would be more complicated to build there because of the Metro lines but the Metro lines shouldn't pose a problem because they are further south then where the ground would sit and engineering has came on since the last expansion. Any development on the land for sale shouldn't really pose many obstacles in our way. It's a shame to see that the club clearly don't want to expand SJP but on the other hand why should a pice of prime land in the centre of Newcastle go to waste? Yeah the wall of the stand does, but people would have to queue somewhere which would be pretty tricky if the land is taken up by a building. Yeah but the Leazers and the Milburn stand have a tunnel with a few staircases for the upper levels. No reason why the same couldn't be done at the Gallowgate with the additional staircases roughly in line to the curb of the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What's the point of the fan forum if they're just going to continuously lie to the fan representatives? SJ: "Did NUFC veto public slides next to St. James' Metro Station and if so, what were the other plans for the land?" The board explained that the proposal was initially made by NE1. The club accepted the proposal but it didn't get planning permission from Newcastle City Council. The club remains open to ideas and suggestions for commercial usage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Those who've cancelled their season ticket have brought this onto the club. I hope you're taking the piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Why are so many clubs so eager to move to bigger grounds or expand if it matters so little? Because the grounds they have aren't big enough for their needs. And we know for definite that our ground will always be big enough for our needs, might as well f*** the land off. Jeez, I never said that. Realistically we have one of the very biggest grounds in the country and in Europe. We could fill (for example) another 10,000 seats if we were regularly in the CL and challenging for the title again, but then you still have the cost to build it and the time it takes as a project. By all means keep a bit of land on the off chance we might want to use it at an unspecified future date, if it makes you feel better about our position as a club. All I'm saying is that in practice it doesn't really matter either way. #ambition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The club will not benefit from any land sale, it should be blocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I just assume owning land and leasing it out near a popular and massive football stadium is a lot smarter then selling it off and losing all control of that site. If the cost of using the land to develop the stadium is already prohibitive (£300Mill the article said Shepherd was looking at, years ago) which means extending over aforesaid land is a non runner already. Realising many years worth of "lease" payments "up front" makes perfect business sense. Selling it for £2Mill would be the equivalent of 24 years worth of lease payments, up front. You did not read that article properly. Did like, even if you roll in casino's, conference centre's etc. payback would be unrealistically long. If I remember it was the complexity of any structural work because of the Metro underneath which killed the previous thoughts on expansion, as much as the rules on Casino's, that hasn't gone away. Whatever, expansion of SJP via the Gallowgate is not feasible, from a financial standpoint. Best expansion would be if we can knock down behind the East Stand, which we can't, stupid council and listed buildings holding back the club eh?. If we need to expand, the only way to do it would be a new ground. You obviously didn't like. It would not cost £300m to redevelop the stand, that was the cost of the entire project. The cost of doing both the Leazes and Milburn was £42m and the structural stuff re: the Metro has never been proven AFAIK. Well you patently didn't read my original post either, I mentioned the "whole development" and the potential payback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The club will not benefit from any land sale, it should be blocked. The club will receive money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 You're on the cusp of wanting him to do what he wants, I think. Not really sure where I'm going with this tbh It's like you're inside my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Just like selling players eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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