Figures 1-0 Football Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 At least Ashley is finally understanding he needs to fuck off and leave Rafa to it. We've stabilised both on and off the field this season. Being bought by a Chinese consortium could set us back to people thinking they know best and reverting to the same shithouse mistakes that got us in this mess. Can just imagine us buying loads of shit and unwanted Chinese players to be managed by O'Leary to 'sell the brand' in China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm happy with the way it is as long as Ashley lets Rafa get on with it unhindered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm happy with the way it is as long as Ashley lets Rafa get on with it unhindered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Probably rejected rejected a couple of "we'll take it off ya hands" bids and is looking for something more substantial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 We back Rafa with cash and let him do his thing for a few years, how much could the club be worth then? Probably a looot more.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 He's keeping q low profile with his tat empire being under the spotlight and rightly so. It's a wonder he's not facing criminal charges. Hopefully it's signalled a more hands off approach and him just counting profit from sports direct while watching the club he help break heal itself and grow back to the potential worth it was before. He's lucked out more than he'll ever know with Rafa sticking by us. It's what we deserve, it's certainly not what he deserves but like it or not we're in it together so here's hoping he allows the beneficial cease fire to continue by staying the fuck away and letting someone professional call the shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Probably rejected rejected a couple of "we'll take it off ya hands" bids and is looking for something more substantial. my thoughts too, makes no sense from Ashleys pov to sell now when he could wait and see if we get back up stabilize for a few years and see if the tv cash goes even further up and get a much better price. If he wants to sell at all, god only fucking knows what he actually wants, part of me still kinda thinks he wants to prove he can be successful in football without throwing lots of cash at it and having it be self sustaining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 He's keeping q low profile with his tat empire being under the spotlight and rightly so. It's a wonder he's not facing criminal charges. Hopefully it's signalled a more hands off approach and him just counting profit from sports direct while watching the club he help break heal itself and grow back to the potential worth it was before. He's lucked out more than he'll ever know with Rafa sticking by us. It's what we deserve, it's certainly not what he deserves but like it or not we're in it together so here's hoping he allows the beneficial cease fire to continue by staying the fuck away and letting someone professional call the shots. tbh he's always appeared very hands off when it comes to the day to day stuff, sure he may broadly dictate the policy but the guys he's appointed to run the club for him have done a fairly piss poor job in implementing that policy and more importantly communicating what they're trying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I said it in the Sunderland thread. Consortiums suck the money out of the club, there will be no massive investment to make us the next Chelsea or Man City. No thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Don't rock the boat right now, things are going well on the pitch. Besides, maybe Ashley has fallen for Rafa like we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Telegraph Sport understands Chinese consortiums were at the front of the queue of potential buyers because they believed they would be able to persuade Ashley to sell for a bargain price. http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1290/12904714/2658582-1405890449975.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Imagine if he sells us to someone even worse and it turns out we actually should have been "careful what we wished for" Would just be fucking typical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Imagine if he sells us to someone even worse and it turns out we actually should have been "careful what we wished for" Would just be fucking typical. Meanwhile there's the matter of the £129million. So in your scenario, we'd have both a nutjob owner and a legacy of debt from the Ashley era. Then Benitez goes and we fall to pieces. Scary thought, which is why I'd lean towards sticking rather than twisting, if presented the option. That being said, I've always assumed that the £129m is included in the (consequently enormous) asking-price, which is why no potential buyer is even coming close, and never will until he's got that money back. Even though he's bound to have made it back (and then some), given how much Sports Direct has increased in worth since putting that loan in. 'Interest free', heh. But I could be miles away. It's all conjecture, I don't really know how the financial side of things work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 As long as Ashley lets Benitez(who gets co-operation from Charnley on the way he wants to run the club and buy players)get on with the job and provides a decent financial support to the progress which everyone wants(that does NOT mean providing endless cash for players, just an acceptable level), then things are OK. We all know that he has made serious errors in his running of the club previously but it seems that he has been badly advised by previous members of management as well as not being realistic about the club's potential ; it is up to HIM to keep the ship on an even keel and if he does, we should all be reasonably happy with the situation. We cannot change the past and we have been singularly fortunate that Rafa decided to stick with us after relegation when he could have walked away...so has Ashley because his investment could have gone the way of the Titanic if Benitez had gone. IF we get promoted and Ashley provides Rafa with a decent budget for buying the players we will need to progress, then all parties should be prepared to put the past behind and make the club what it should be in future. Chinese investment could be good, it could be bad...its all a lottery. Man City have been very lucky that their Abu Dhabi backers have big plans for the club but it doesn't mean that ALL owners would be like that. Its annoying to think that it could have been us, but that is history now. However, any backsliding on promises by Ashley would destroy what Rafa has begun so its up to him...it's also up to us to try and put the past mistakes behind so both owner and fans have one chance to pull together - its up to both parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellars Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know... The irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 feels like we're onto something with benitez, something that might last a good 5-10 years or whatever, so we'd be mad to want to give that up without seeing it given a chance to develop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Imagine if he sells us to someone even worse and it turns out we actually should have been "careful what we wished for" Would just be fucking typical. That was my first thought, sells it to a dodgy consortium who then go on to piss off Rafa and he leaves as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 From what I understand with the Chinese is that they are being encouraged by their President to invest in football because he likes football and wants the World Cup so he wants to develop the interest in his country. If the next President hates football, what would happen then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Read a very good article recently about the surge of interest in English football from Chinese investors at a time when their own government has plans to push their domestic game to elite levels. It said that many of the people involved are little known even in their own country and their dealings and motives are "opaque" to say the least. It concluded saying that while football fans are usually optimistic when their club gets new ownership in these cases it may be best to "be careful what you wish for". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Read a very good article recently about the surge of interest in English football from Chinese investors at a time when their own government has plans to push their domestic game to elite levels. It said that many of the people involved are little known even in their own country and their dealings and motives are "opaque" to say the least. It concluded saying that while football fans are usually optimistic when their club gets new ownership in these cases it may be best to "be careful what you wish for". The small buyers picking up the clubs before the big boys come and long. Selling the clubs on and making a profit out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 We'd also have to change the NUFC official calendar. Vurnon Anita as a rabbit or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Too hard to say if I'd want Ashley to sell at this point as I haven't a clue who this Chinese consortium are and their intentions. Little more info and maybe or maybe not want something to get done. I'll never forgive Ashley for just about everything he's done since he purchased the club and ran it into the ground - the only redeeming thing he's done (so far) is bring Rafa in. Whether he goes and fucks this about is anyone's guess. The ideal owner for us would be someone or some-group who'd want to do anything in their power to make us a title winning side, renovate/expand St James Park and invest into the infrastructure in and around the ground via retail, hotel, condos, apartments etc and create more economic impact to the area (ie what you see in America with some of these LA Live type complexes/setups) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Why would all that stuff make them the ideal owner Kanji? Referring to the retail/hotel stuff I mean. How would that stuff actually contribute to us becoming better on the pitch? Not slagging the idea, btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I reckon Newcastle city centre is fairly well covered for hotels and retail already tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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