Pilko Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Perch - a Calderwood-inspired Hughton buy; not hard to convince Ashley because he was cheap and fits the profile. Obertan - a Pards-inspired buy; not hard to convince Ashley because he was cheap and fits the profile. Gosling - freebie/opportunistic signing; made cos of his lack of cost Campbell - made sense on paper, backfired Ireland - always a nutjob/temporary so no loss Kuqi - our hands were tied/temporary so no loss You can argue anything any which way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Nowhere near as bad a player as people in here are making out. As you'd expect from a young defender, he had a bad time last season when West Ham's defence were almost constantly under pressure without any semblance of organisation or leadership, but he's looked much more steady and confident when I've seen him this year (I watch West Ham quite regularly since my father in law is a fan of theirs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Kuqi was a stop gap. Gosling and Campbell were free transfers and Ireland was only a loan signing. Admittedly Perch and Obertan have been poor, I supposed it depends on the market. I don't know which scout is looking at Tomkins, probably not Carr so may not be great. What do you mean by that? I meant I don't know how good our other staff are? Who's watching Tomkins play this season? Is it from Pardew's 'sources'? Obviously if we had Carr watching him regular then I'd be more inclined to back it despite having the perception he's shit as Carr has scouted almost perfectly. However it seems he's probably just scouring the foreign market so my initial reaction of 'If we like the look of him I won't judge till he's played' may be wide of the mark #AlanOliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Is there anything to suggest this anything more than a generic Daily Mirror rumour? Not having a dig, genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Kuqi was a stop gap. Gosling and Campbell were free transfers and Ireland was only a loan signing. Admittedly Perch and Obertan have been poor, I supposed it depends on the market. I don't know which scout is looking at Tomkins, probably not Carr so may not be great. What do you mean by that? I meant I don't know how good our other staff are? Who's watching Tomkins play this season? Is it from Pardew's 'sources'? Obviously if we had Carr watching him regular then I'd be more inclined to back it despite having the perception he's shit as Carr has scouted almost perfectly. However it seems he's probably just scouring the foreign market so my initial reaction of 'If we like the look of him I won't judge till he's played' may be wide of the mark #AlanOliver. See I just don't buy this. Are we to believe all our good signings came because of Carr and all the not so good ones didn't? He's our chief scout, I can't see why he wouldn't be involved in any of our signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Is there anything to suggest this anything more than a generic Daily Mirror rumour? Not having a dig, genuine question. Other than the certainty with which they've claimed it, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Is there anything to suggest this anything more than a generic Daily Mirror rumour? Not having a dig, genuine question. Well its written by the well respected journalist Football Spy, so theres probably some substance in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Kuqi was a stop gap. Gosling and Campbell were free transfers and Ireland was only a loan signing. Admittedly Perch and Obertan have been poor, I supposed it depends on the market. I don't know which scout is looking at Tomkins, probably not Carr so may not be great. What do you mean by that? I meant I don't know how good our other staff are? Who's watching Tomkins play this season? Is it from Pardew's 'sources'? Obviously if we had Carr watching him regular then I'd be more inclined to back it despite having the perception he's shit as Carr has scouted almost perfectly. However it seems he's probably just scouring the foreign market so my initial reaction of 'If we like the look of him I won't judge till he's played' may be wide of the mark #AlanOliver. See I just don't buy this. Are we to believe all our good signings came because of Carr and all the not so good ones didn't? He's our chief scout, I can't see why he wouldn't be involved in any of our signings. Not necessarily, but it's clear he's scouting abroad and so it's highly likely he spotted those ones first. I don't know who scouts the rest, maybe it's a combination of Carr/Pardew/other sources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 £2.5m ? Cheeky b*stards !! He is a current England U21 International FFS - How much did Leicester pay for Mills ? £5m wasn't it. We should move heaven and earth to ensure that Noble and Tomkins are kept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 he wears gloves and seems more bothered about his hair than concentrating on the game but he's a decent prospect so I'd have him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Kuqi was a stop gap. Gosling and Campbell were free transfers and Ireland was only a loan signing. Admittedly Perch and Obertan have been poor, I supposed it depends on the market. I don't know which scout is looking at Tomkins, probably not Carr so may not be great. What do you mean by that? I meant I don't know how good our other staff are? Who's watching Tomkins play this season? Is it from Pardew's 'sources'? Obviously if we had Carr watching him regular then I'd be more inclined to back it despite having the perception he's shit as Carr has scouted almost perfectly. However it seems he's probably just scouring the foreign market so my initial reaction of 'If we like the look of him I won't judge till he's played' may be wide of the mark #AlanOliver. See I just don't buy this. Are we to believe all our good signings came because of Carr and all the not so good ones didn't? He's our chief scout, I can't see why he wouldn't be involved in any of our signings. Pretty sure I've read or heard somewhere that Carr is involved primarily in international scouting. I don't think he attends matches in this country for us - could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Doesn't look good on paper, but I'll back the scouts/staff until they start making poor signings. Perch? Obertan? Gosling? Campbell/Ireland/Kuqi? Kuqi was a stop gap. Gosling and Campbell were free transfers and Ireland was only a loan signing. Admittedly Perch and Obertan have been poor, I supposed it depends on the market. I don't know which scout is looking at Tomkins, probably not Carr so may not be great. What do you mean by that? I meant I don't know how good our other staff are? Who's watching Tomkins play this season? Is it from Pardew's 'sources'? Obviously if we had Carr watching him regular then I'd be more inclined to back it despite having the perception he's shit as Carr has scouted almost perfectly. However it seems he's probably just scouring the foreign market so my initial reaction of 'If we like the look of him I won't judge till he's played' may be wide of the mark #AlanOliver. See I just don't buy this. Are we to believe all our good signings came because of Carr and all the not so good ones didn't? He's our chief scout, I can't see why he wouldn't be involved in any of our signings. Pretty sure I've read or heard somewhere that Carr is involved primarily in international scouting. I don't think he attends matches in this country for us - could be wrong though. Aye, tends to be Norman Wooster who does domestic scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 he wears gloves and seems more bothered about his hair than concentrating on the game but he's a decent prospect so I'd have him Paul Huntington esque. Plays to a fairly similar standard too. Not seen him this season but he was car crash last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 he wears gloves and seems more bothered about his hair than concentrating on the game but he's a decent prospect so I'd have him Paul Huntington esque. Plays to a fairly similar standard too. Not seen him this season but he was car crash last season. Watched him tonight in the FA cup. Still poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I've came up with some pretty stringent criteria which I'm going to use to assess all over our defensive targets over the coming transfer window. Should they pass they'll be suitable for Newcastle United. I'll demonstrate below: Is James Tomkins better than James Perch? Yes (x) No ( ) Not sure ( ) Conclusive. Welcome aboard Jimmy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Well he's tall and good looking, that'll do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I've came up with some pretty stringent criteria which I'm going to use to assess all over our defensive targets over the coming transfer window. Should they pass they'll be suitable for Newcastle United. I'll demonstrate below: Is James Tomkins better than James Perch? Yes (x) No ( ) Not sure ( ) Conclusive. Welcome aboard Jimmy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 From a recently-bumped thread on KUMB: Very interesting to see what was put last year. "League 2 standard" "Will never make it", etc... I know it's the Championship and not the PL, but I knew in time, I knew he'd improve. Class player with maybe a little error (nothing like Wolves or Villa yet) in him from time to time, but will only improve further. Class act. Worth noting that somebody on their forum thinks Noble would transform Man U's midfield and allow them to pip City to the title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 From a recently-bumped thread on KUMB: Very interesting to see what was put last year. "League 2 standard" "Will never make it", etc... I know it's the Championship and not the PL, but I knew in time, I knew he'd improve. Class player with maybe a little error (nothing like Wolves or Villa yet) in him from time to time, but will only improve further. Class act. Worth noting that somebody on their forum thinks Noble would transform Man U's midfield and allow them to pip City to the title saw that as well. dear god. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 How about this for plagiarism (compare it to the OP): http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/225504/Sam-Allardyce-no-to-Toon/ SAM ALLARDYCE 'NO' TO TOON 14th December 2011 By Dave Armitage SAM ALLARDYCE has rejected a £2.5m bid from Newcastle for West Ham star James Tomkins. But the Hammers are still facing a battle to convince the defender to sign a new contract at Upton Park. Allardyce means to keep the 22-year old and snubbed the offer Newcastle made at the weekend. Former Hammers boss Alan Pardew had targeted Tomkins after losing Steven Taylor for the rest of the season with an Achilles injury. Tomkins, who has been with the club since the age of seven, has been in talks over a new deal but is keen on a return to the Premier League. Newcastle could come back with another offer in the New Year while QPR are also huge admirers. Allardyce said: “We’ve been negotiating with him and will continue that in January. I am optimistic. “We can ill-afford to lose any players at this stage of the season.” Tomkins has more than two years remaining on his current deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 He's some kind of relation of mine (second cousin or some bollocks), so for that, I think he'd be a fantastic signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 How about this for plagiarism (compare it to the OP): http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/225504/Sam-Allardyce-no-to-Toon/ SAM ALLARDYCE 'NO' TO TOON 14th December 2011 By Dave Armitage SAM ALLARDYCE has rejected a £2.5m bid from Newcastle for West Ham star James Tomkins. West Ham have rejected a £2.5million bid from Newcastle for James Tomkins. But the Hammers are still facing a battle to convince the defender to sign a new contract at Upton Park. But the Hammers are still facing a battle to convince the highly-rated defender to sign a new contract. Allardyce means to keep the 22-year old and snubbed the offer Newcastle made at the weekend. Manager Sam Allardyce is determined to keep the 22-year-old and snubbed Newcastle’s offer, which was made over the weekend. Former Hammers boss Alan Pardew had targeted Tomkins after losing Steven Taylor for the rest of the season with an Achilles injury. Allardyce's Magpies counterpart Alan Pardew, a former West Ham boss, had targeted Tomkins after losing centre-back Steven Taylor for the rest of the season with an Achilles injury. Tomkins, who has been with the club since the age of seven, has been in talks over a new deal but is keen on a return to the Premier League. Tomkins, who has been with the London club since the age of seven, has been in talks over a new deal but is keen on a return to the Premier League following Hammers' relegation last season. Newcastle could come back with another offer in the New Year while QPR are also huge admirers. Newcastle could come back with another offer in the New Year, while QPR are also huge admirers of the player. Allardyce said: “We’ve been negotiating with him and will continue that in January. I am optimistic. “We’ve been negotiating with him and will continue that in January. I am optimistic," said Allardyce. “We can ill-afford to lose any players at this stage of the season.” “We can ill afford to lose any players at this stage of the season.” Tomkins has more than two years remaining on his current deal. Tomkins has over two years remaining on his current deal. Glorious :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 How about this for plagiarism (compare it to the OP): http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/225504/Sam-Allardyce-no-to-Toon/ SAM ALLARDYCE 'NO' TO TOON 14th December 2011 By Dave Armitage SAM ALLARDYCE has rejected a £2.5m bid from Newcastle for West Ham star James Tomkins. But the Hammers are still facing a battle to convince the defender to sign a new contract at Upton Park. Allardyce means to keep the 22-year old and snubbed the offer Newcastle made at the weekend. Former Hammers boss Alan Pardew had targeted Tomkins after losing Steven Taylor for the rest of the season with an Achilles injury. Tomkins, who has been with the club since the age of seven, has been in talks over a new deal but is keen on a return to the Premier League. Newcastle could come back with another offer in the New Year while QPR are also huge admirers. Allardyce said: “We’ve been negotiating with him and will continue that in January. I am optimistic. “We can ill-afford to lose any players at this stage of the season.” Tomkins has more than two years remaining on his current deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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