David Icke - Son of God Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is more talented than Robert ever was. Hold on, do you remember how fucking good Robert was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is more talented than Robert ever was. By far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Some people just don't like flair players, plain and simple. It was the same with Robert, constant arguments with people who simply don't understand the game at the top level where ability is by far the most important attribute. Tevez, when he was 22 : "Pardew was always asking how we were and if we needed anything and for that I am grateful. But when the match came round, he would be more distant. "I don't think he had a clear idea about my game or what to do. He was good football man but more suited to coaching English teams without foreign players with big reputations. "I think that was a bit of a problem for him." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is more talented than Robert ever was. Hold on, do you remember how fucking good Robert was? I totally get his point. Ginola was more talented than Robert, yet Robert had a far greater end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is more talented than Robert ever was. Hold on, do you remember how f***ing good Robert was? I totally get his point. Ginola was more talented than Robert, yet Robert had a far greater end product. Agree again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm awaiting Ronnie's input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm awaiting Ronnie's input. Aye, pulling up a chair for this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Robert was class in his day, but you can't compare him to Ben Arfa. Both two completely different types of player. I remember when we had Robert and Solano in tandem down either wing, we had two of the most potent wingers in Europe at that time (in terms of goals and assists) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Simply put, Robert was direct and lethal, whereas Ben Arfa is more flamboyant and anarchistic. Both are/were extremely talented footballers with generally contrasting approaches. If I had to pick one out of the two, I would firstly ask, what role am I selecting the player for? If I was pressed without clear parameters I would go with Robert. However, that isn't set in stone and I just wish Ben Arfa was given more time to prove himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Robert was class in his day, but you can't compare him to Ben Arfa. Both two completely different types of player. I remember when we had Robert and Solano in tandem down either wing, we had two of the most potent wingers in Europe at that time (in terms of goals and assists) both also had forwards to play to and a midfield that got forward to give options also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Robert was class in his day, but you can't compare him to Ben Arfa. Both two completely different types of player. I remember when we had Robert and Solano in tandem down either wing, we had two of the most potent wingers in Europe at that time (in terms of goals and assists) both also had forwards to play to and a midfield that got forward to give options also. Agreed. Cabaye certainly seemed to be sitting much deeper today - why is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Robert was class in his day, but you can't compare him to Ben Arfa. Both two completely different types of player. I remember when we had Robert and Solano in tandem down either wing, we had two of the most potent wingers in Europe at that time (in terms of goals and assists) both also had forwards to play to and a midfield that got forward to give options also. Agreed. Cabaye certainly seemed to be sitting much deeper today - why is beyond me. he's done that since about early october. we haven't comitted anyone forward from midfield this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Got to be tactics from the manager then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Stoke do the same thing. Their two central midfielders aren't allowed to go out of a certain area of the pitch. I don't think we're quite as restrictive but the same sort of principle applies. It's even more frustrating however because we have such quality in the centre of midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is what football is all about. I don't watch Barcelona because they win. Having said that, when it comes to NUFC I obviously always put winning before entertainment, but it's clearly obvious that with HBA we'd get both. Ryan Taylor is not and never will be what football is about to me, and we're a severely less threatening attacking side with HBA on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HBA is what football is all about. I don't watch Barcelona because they win. Having said that, when it comes to NUFC I obviously always put winning before entertainment, but it's clearly obvious that with HBA we'd get both. Ryan Taylor is not and never will be what football is about to me, and we're a severely less threatening attacking side with HBA on the bench. Especially true away from home Sorry VI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I thought he was shit today and proved why he's not getting a game. That was the first competitive Football he's played in nearly a month. Yet once again he still looked like our most likely player to score, but he was shit apparently because he didn't pop up after nearly a month on the sidelines and turn the game around in 25 minutes. http://lh5.ggpht.com/-rT9TaFuTglo/Tg1Rj6vZ2TI/AAAAAAAAAAA/dLrI4N2eDIo/s512/You+need+help%5B7%5D.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Oi Pardew play this lad you defensive fecker, a run of games and he'll be mint, stop fecking around with Raylor, Simpson and Shitebulb, hoy your rigid 4-4-2 and use the decent footballers you got. You massive plank. Pretty much how i feel. I like AP but something happened today...An awakening to the bullshit. We have got to where we are this season on the ability of the players and a lot of good luck. I have to say now that i dont think AP has the tactical nouse nor the balls in selection to make us a regular top 6 side. The slide starts now....well....after the derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Oi Pardew play this lad you defensive fecker, a run of games and he'll be mint, stop fecking around with Raylor, Simpson and Shitebulb, hoy your rigid 4-4-2 and use the decent footballers you got. You massive plank. Pretty much how i feel. I like AP but something happened today...An awakening to the bullshit. We have got to where we are this season on the ability of the players and a lot of good luck. I have to say now that i dont think AP has the tactical nouse nor the balls in selection to make us a regular top 6 side. The slide starts now....well....after the derby. I'm hoping he looks back at the game and it sinks in that hoofball isn't good enough, time for him to prove he isn't one dimensional, or will his ego let him......i'm just so depressed, and it wasn't the sight of Mrs bimpy's arse when i accidentally walk in the bathroom as she was talcing her unreachables that made me so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hatem was scared, febrile, without rythm and the lack of confidence was flagrant. A very poor cameo facilitated by six months of Pardew mismanagement of the lad. Sad really to hear the crowd roar agaisnt him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 The problem now is Pardew has painted himself into a corner with Ben Arfa. He's decided he won't fit into his system - which to be fair he can't, simply becuase the lad's not a direct football type. So to play him Pardew needs to adopt a more fluid passing game which he doesn't seem to know how to implement, so he reverts to the safe option of Ryan Taylor or more confusingly, Obertan instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Some people just don't like flair players, plain and simple. It was the same with Robert, constant arguments with people who simply don't understand the game at the top level where ability is by far the most important attribute. those discussions about robert seem utterly absurd looking back now. And bellamy as well. can't believe people backed souness. They were absurd then IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Ironically despite his "poor" cameo most of our play in that last twenty minutes revolved around him and we had our best spell of the game except maybe the first 15 minutes or so. Now that's probably due to us waking up a bit and putting in a bit of effort. Our whole play in those last 15-20 was so rushed and panicked due to us trying to suddenly get into top gear after coasting for most of the game and force a winner. Like Pardew or not, we are capable of far better than that but our attitude to the game was all wrong. Someone like Ben Arfa would be far better from the start where the game is at a slower pace and we are not chasing a winning goal. He would then not be trying to force it and we can be a bit more patient with our build up. I still want to see him on the same pitch as Ba and Cisse. However it was obvious he was rusty as fuck and i worry that his poor decision making (4 players in the box and he runs it out of play rather than cross/last minute of game running out of the play trying to take on too many players, etc) may count against him and once again see him frozen out for a few games. Which is a shame because mixed in with his little cameo were still flashes of brilliance that should be harnessed not buried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 don't think he was rusty at all, he was playing to his managers orders. hug the right wing, always be ready to defend even if we have the ball in their box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 When he came on he was the only one attacking the goal at least with a couple of shots and most of out play involved him. This lad is just being totally mismanaged and needs a run in the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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