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For me, Ben Arfa is like Ginola and Robert rolled into one.

 

Has all the finesse and dribbling abilities as Ginola, aswell as the ability to pull something magic out of the hat from absolutely nothing a la Robert.  Be it a top class assist or a rocket into the top corner.

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In terms of style and input to the team, I see hardly anything in common with Ben Arfa alongside Ginola and Robert, aside from them all being flair players. Robert had the best input, Ginola played in the most beautiful way, and Ben Arfa is (I agree) comfortably the best dribbler. Robert and Ginola were obviously in far better teams, so it's hard to tell but Ben Arfa in one of those teams would have been gluttenously wonderful. We'd all be lactating.

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fwiw, I dunno where I would put him in Robson's team. He'd be ahead of Gillespie in Keegan's team, I imagine.

 

I don't think Hatem would get into either team if i'm honest, he's great but not THAT great.

 

Is definitely is that great man, he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

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Depends on what Keegan team really.... i agree on ahead of Gillespie but it wasn't always Gillespie.

 

As for ahead of Dyer? Ben Arfa as a CM next to Speed really?

 

fwiw, I dunno where I would put him in Robson's team. He'd be ahead of Gillespie in Keegan's team, I imagine.

 

I don't think Hatem would get into either team if i'm honest, he's great but not THAT great.

 

Is definitely is that great man, he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

 

Performances > Talent.

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Depends on what Keegan team really.... i agree on ahead of Gillespie but it wasn't always Gillespie.

 

As for ahead of Dyer? Ben Arfa as a CM next to Speed really?

 

fwiw, I dunno where I would put him in Robson's team. He'd be ahead of Gillespie in Keegan's team, I imagine.

 

I don't think Hatem would get into either team if i'm honest, he's great but not THAT great.

 

Is definitely is that great man, he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

 

Performances > Talent.

 

Obviously it's all just in our minds, so I wouldn't have him in that position.

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The 'would HBA get into the 01/02 team' is a bit misleading as we played with a fast paced 4-4-2 formation which isn't really suited to his style.    As an overall player he's better than Robert, but he wouldn't be as effective in such a system.

 

Coloccini would walk into any side we've ever had.

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Depends on what Keegan team really.... i agree on ahead of Gillespie but it wasn't always Gillespie.

 

As for ahead of Dyer? Ben Arfa as a CM next to Speed really?

 

fwiw, I dunno where I would put him in Robson's team. He'd be ahead of Gillespie in Keegan's team, I imagine.

 

I don't think Hatem would get into either team if i'm honest, he's great but not THAT great.

 

Is definitely is that great man, he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

 

Performances > Talent.

 

HBA is comfortably a better player than Dyer.  And Dyer wasn't exactly the best defensively, so there's no reason why HBA couldn't play alongside Speed.

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Ben Arfa with movement around him and options like Dyer, Bellamy, Ferdinand and Shearer to pass to would be a different player.  Some people seem to have this view of him that he's greedy and won't pass or waits to long to pass.  But the fact is if you watch him his heads always going up looking for movement and if he eventually decides not to pass its usually because he sees no decent options.  Often the only pass available to him is a short ball to someone who 99% of the time does fuck all with it.  Definitely think with good movement around him he'd pass more and quicker.  He does make some mistakes obviously, nobody's perfect but personally I'd have him in any of our sides through the years.

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Depends on what Keegan team really.... i agree on ahead of Gillespie but it wasn't always Gillespie.

 

As for ahead of Dyer? Ben Arfa as a CM next to Speed really?

 

fwiw, I dunno where I would put him in Robson's team. He'd be ahead of Gillespie in Keegan's team, I imagine.

 

I don't think Hatem would get into either team if i'm honest, he's great but not THAT great.

 

Is definitely is that great man, he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

 

Performances > Talent.

 

HBA is comfortably a better player than Dyer.  And Dyer wasn't exactly the best defensively, so there's no reason why HBA couldn't play alongside Speed.

 

Dyer was fantastic on the break though. The number of times Solano would pick the ball up in our own half and set either him or Bellamy tearing down the pitch on a counter...was great to watch.

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The 'would HBA get into the 01/02 team' is a bit misleading as we played with a fast paced 4-4-2 formation which isn't really suited to his style.    As an overall player he's better than Robert, but he wouldn't be as effective in such a system.

 

Coloccini would walk into any side we've ever had.

 

Disagree if i'm honest, Robert has won more games for this football club than HBA ever will.

 

Talent is irrelevant unless its combined with consistent performances.

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The 'would HBA get into the 01/02 team' is a bit misleading as we played with a fast paced 4-4-2 formation which isn't really suited to his style.    As an overall player he's better than Robert, but he wouldn't be as effective in such a system.

 

Coloccini would walk into any side we've ever had.

 

Disagree if i'm honest, Robert has won more games for this football club than HBA ever will.

 

Talent is irrelevant unless its combined with consistent performances.

 

If you put Ben Arfa in that 01/02 team with that quality of players around him I'm sure you would see a far more effective player (injuries aside). Put Robert in todays team and he'd be nowhere near as effective as he was.

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"injuries aside" Michael Owen would've been a success at Newcastle.

 

Totally different case, Owen's injury in 2006 was the beginning of the end for him, he was never a top player after that, he did have a good few months under Keegan but theres nothing to suggest he would have sustained that form when you consider the level of his performances from late 2008 onwards. Injury fucked Owen, Ben Arfa's injuries haven't took anything away from him. This wasn't the major point here though, the point was that Ben Arfa would have been far more effective in Sir Bobby's team with such great players around him. Can you imagine Robert in this team firing crosses in for Cisse and Ameobi?

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Dunno where all the Gillespie hating is coming from, he was absolutely mint. Surely Hatem would have replaced Scott Sellars?

 

It's not hatred, it's just that that's where Ben Arfa plays and he's better than Gillespie was, imo. Sellars wouldn't be in there because Ginola was in there tbf.

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