M4 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't get a run in the side he'll be off in the summer and who can really blame him? Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. It would be an absolute travesty if he gets a similar treatment for the rest of the season and then just left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I now fully expect pardew to start Ben Arfa against man u. Continue to play long ball tactics and then haul him off at half time for shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Not a single one of those quotes suggest he is "happy to wait". Typical misleading title. Edit*** Also would anyone disagree that Hatem probably has a far better cross on him than any other current winger in the squad?? Nonetheless, it's a more positive sounding piece than the one in the Sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. The next manager found it very easy to drop Larry Robert. A man who rarely bothered to pretend to track back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Pardew did say a couple of weeks ago that Ben Arfa could be the one to "fill Ba's boots" when he's away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Both were simply too good to leave on the bench in any situation. Robert especially had the type of game that didn't rely on those around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Both were simply too good to leave on the bench in any situation. Robert especially had the type of game that didn't rely on those around him. aye and if you say so. (also i'd put ben arfa in that group, in fact for all ben arfa's game is closer to beardsleys for me, in all other respects i put him closer to robert) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Pardew did say a couple of weeks ago that Ben Arfa could be the one to "fill Ba's boots" when he's away. Did'nt Pardew say he would'nt sell Carroll, didnt he say we would play football and the side would be built around Ben Arfa.... etc etc? Not saying it wont happen but iam not in the business in believing Pardew's word is gospel. Sorry for all this negativity guys, but all this Ben Arfa and Santon on the bench everyweek is starting to get to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Pardew did say a couple of weeks ago that Ben Arfa could be the one to "fill Ba's boots" when he's away. Did'nt Pardew say he would'nt sell Carroll, didnt he say we would play football and the side would be built around Ben Arfa.... etc etc? Not saying it wont happen but iam not in the business in believing Pardew's word is gospel. Sorry for all this negativity guys, but all this Ben Arfa and Santon on the bench everyweek is starting to get to me Definitely didn't say this like. Pardew's comments of late have been bizarre to say the least tbh. But I definitely still have faith in Pardew mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Both were simply too good to leave on the bench in any situation. Robert especially had the type of game that didn't rely on those around him. Ginola = always played by Keegan. Dropped by Dalglish. Robert = always played by Sir Bobby. Dropped by Souness. Zog = told to fuck off by JFK. IMO there's an obvious pattern here, irrespective of whether these players being dropped improved the team or not in the short term (in the long term it didn't). I.e. that s*** managers who focus too much on the defense will drop a quality but unpredictable flair player because it's the easy thing to do, especially as soon as there's a slight dip in form. They aren't concerned with what these players bring to the team, only what they don't bring. Hence, that's what makes them s*** managers, unlike the good managers who'll take the risk (and the bad along with the good) because they have the balls and the courage as managers to do so. Pardew falls into the "s***" camp for me atm because he did the exact same thing with Tevez that he's seemingly doing with Ben Arfa. West Ham fans (much like ours) were regularly calling for Tevez to be played because Zamora/Harewood/Cole were all s*** and had them struggling badly. After Pardew was sacked for being a t***, Curbishley came in and did what the fans wanted, and whadayaknow? They immediately had one of the best playmaking forwards in the league playing for them, instead of the Championship standard stodge Pardew had put his faith in. If Pardew was smart enough he'd learn from that absolute and undeniable mistake, a mistake that would have had his team relegated and a world class star player wasting away for no reason on the bench (had he not been sacked), and apply it here with Ben Arfa. If he does, then good on him - if he doesn't then it'll only highlight why he had to resort to being a desperate, recently unemployed League One manager whoring himself in Casinos as a footballing f***-buddy for footballing philistines like Ashley and Llambias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Concerned by those quotes tbh. I remember him saying Pardew promised him (and everyone) a certain type of football, and it's not what he's described there. Don't know where the f*** this relentless long-ball s*** has come from, tbh. We didn't use it earlier in the season, and it doesn't work now that we are. Bizarre and infuriating. We've played long ball most of the season, we're just doing it more than ever now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Both were simply too good to leave on the bench in any situation. Robert especially had the type of game that didn't rely on those around him. Ginola = always played by Keegan. Dropped by Dalglish. Robert = always played by Sir Bobby. Dropped by Souness. Zog = told to f*** off by JFK. Bellamy = flogged for peanuts by souness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Concerned by those quotes tbh. I remember him saying Pardew promised him (and everyone) a certain type of football, and it's not what he's described there. Don't know where the f*** this relentless long-ball s*** has come from, tbh. We didn't use it earlier in the season, and it doesn't work now that we are. Bizarre and infuriating. We've played long ball most of the season, we're just doing it more than ever now. we did it all last season aswel, one positive thing i thought may happen from the sale of carroll was that we wont have to launch it at the bean pole anymore. just using leon best and demba for that role now. fucking horrible, pardew is soon becoming a fraud, he told players like cabaye we were suppose to change and play more passing game, and starting to look like a real fukking bulshitter right now. i know if i was player and got conned in moving countries by my boss on false premises i would be furious and lose all respect for the twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Farcical situation. Imagine somebody like Bobby Robson or KK leaving a player of Ben Arfa's attacking talent on the bench. That's a redundant comparison. Neither of them had a player of Ben Arfa's type to leave on the bench. ginola and robert spring to mind. Both were simply too good to leave on the bench in any situation. Robert especially had the type of game that didn't rely on those around him. Ginola = always played by Keegan. Dropped by Dalglish. Robert = always played by Sir Bobby. Dropped by Souness. Zog = told to f*** off by JFK. Bellamy = flogged for peanuts by souness still can't think about this without getting the red mist for a nano-second. could've had bellamy for 7 more years if it wasn't for that piece of shite. saboteur. Then Souness cutting his nose off to spite his face by dropping Robert for making pre-match motivational comments ahead of a big tie. Indefensible. While Kinnear was a couple of days away from being hospitalised when he sold N'Zogbia. Tragic timing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Concerned by those quotes tbh. I remember him saying Pardew promised him (and everyone) a certain type of football, and it's not what he's described there. Don't know where the f*** this relentless long-ball s*** has come from, tbh. We didn't use it earlier in the season, and it doesn't work now that we are. Bizarre and infuriating. We've played long ball most of the season, we're just doing it more than ever now. we did it all last season aswel, one positive thing i thought may happen from the sale of carroll was that we wont have to launch it at the bean pole anymore. just using leon best and demba for that role now. f***ing horrible, pardew is soon becoming a fraud, he told players like cabaye we were suppose to change and play more passing game, and starting to look like a real fukking bulshitter right now. i know if i was player and got conned in moving countries by my boss on false premises i would be furious and lose all respect for the t***. Demba's in the form of his career and we're sitting 7th. Take it easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 First sign of dissent - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4036706/Hatem-Ben-Arfa-furious-about-bit-part-role-at-Newcastle.html "I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them. "But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes. Hatem knows best, I say. We are more than capable of playing a passing game with the core of Colo, Cabaye and Ben Arfa. I don't see why not, like. Swansea do it, and our players are more talented than theirs, surely? yes but our manager isnt. surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Pardew did say a couple of weeks ago that Ben Arfa could be the one to "fill Ba's boots" when he's away. Did'nt Pardew say he would'nt sell Carroll, didnt he say we would play football and the side would be built around Ben Arfa.... etc etc? Not saying it wont happen but iam not in the business in believing Pardew's word is gospel. Sorry for all this negativity guys, but all this Ben Arfa and Santon on the bench everyweek is starting to get to me Definitely didn't say this like. Pardew's comments of late have been bizarre to say the least tbh. But I definitely still have faith in Pardew mind. I do, its just frustrating to see some of the decisions not being learnt from...... " The Worst mistakes we make are the ones we don't learn from" I take the Ben Arfa comment back if he didnt say it, but iam pretty sure did. If he didnt then i take it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Concerned by those quotes tbh. I remember him saying Pardew promised him (and everyone) a certain type of football, and it's not what he's described there. Don't know where the f*** this relentless long-ball s*** has come from, tbh. We didn't use it earlier in the season, and it doesn't work now that we are. Bizarre and infuriating. We've played long ball most of the season, we're just doing it more than ever now. we did it all last season aswel, one positive thing i thought may happen from the sale of carroll was that we wont have to launch it at the bean pole anymore. just using leon best and demba for that role now. f***ing horrible, pardew is soon becoming a fraud, he told players like cabaye we were suppose to change and play more passing game, and starting to look like a real fukking bulshitter right now. i know if i was player and got conned in moving countries by my boss on false premises i would be furious and lose all respect for the t***. Demba's in the form of his career and we're sitting 7th. Take it easy. look mate i aint knee jerking and i aint asking for the manager to get the sack, im actually grateful for what he and ashley has done so far believe it or not. but jesus, why does he insist on long balls and crosses crosses crosses, it didnt work vs swansea, didnt work against norwich, didnt work against wba, and it certainly wont work vs manutd, one game our long ball looked fukking amazing ironically was vs stoke. and i was pleased with our performance vs liverpool on friday despite most of us getting our panties in a twist on this board, we played well on the deck for about an hour, i actually credited pardew for not using same crap we did previously. it frustates me to see a manager resort to these resolutions when he knows he has the players to play good football, and we have done it before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 oh look what i found stewart robson called pardew a egotistical, self promoting, long ball route one football and no creativity in midfield and a con-man http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/video_audio/61504.html?genre=6;sport=3 go to 11:33 will a leopard change his spots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 If he doesn't start the Man U game then surely he'll get his "proper" chance when Ba goes off to the ACoN? I would'nt bet on it....... Best-Ameobi is my bet. Pardew did say a couple of weeks ago that Ben Arfa could be the one to "fill Ba's boots" when he's away. Did'nt Pardew say he would'nt sell Carroll, didnt he say we would play football and the side would be built around Ben Arfa.... etc etc? Not saying it wont happen but iam not in the business in believing Pardew's word is gospel. Sorry for all this negativity guys, but all this Ben Arfa and Santon on the bench everyweek is starting to get to me Definitely didn't say this like. Pardew's comments of late have been bizarre to say the least tbh. But I definitely still have faith in Pardew mind. I do, its just frustrating to see some of the decisions not being learnt from...... " The Worst mistakes we make are the ones we don't learn from" I take the Ben Arfa comment back if he didnt say it, but iam pretty sure did. If he didnt then i take it back. You might have mistook it for comments made by Cabaye “The first time I met Alan Pardew I asked him ‘How do you want to play? What is the style?’,” Cabaye told the Sunday Sun. “He said ‘With you, it will change’. I told him I want to have the ball at my feet, I want to pass the ball, pass again. “It reassured me a lot to hear that the first time I met him. It was my first move since Lille and not to another French club so it was more difficult. “I was pleased and relieved for him to say that. My mind was calmer because of that. I was reassured and I felt good.” He must be gutted to repeatedly see the ball launched over his head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hughton for all his flaws knew how to learn from his mistakes (and admit them, even). Pardew could take a page out of his book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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