Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 His inconsistency is massively exaggerated due to the fact he's dragged off at half time and dropped dropped after 135 minutes of fairly mediocre play. He's never really had a chance to show any real consistency. Look at Remy now, had he been given the same treatment as Ben Arfa he'd have been out of the side 5-6 games ago. It's sensible that he isn't mind, most players don't put in a performance every week, you have to allow for dips in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He needs to play more, whenever hes got the ball I get optimistic and believe he can score. Right up until he makes the wrong decision and looses the ball that is. Whenever Remy get the ball, I don't envisage him scoring and whenever Cisse gets it I always check the linesman and hear the inevitable whistle. He's exciting to watch just needs to know when to pass and wait to make more promising runs. The confidence he has to take them on is great tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He's not consistently unplayable and needs to work on his decision making, right everyone knows that, doesn't make him greedy because he took the wrong (in your opinion) option for a pass/cross. The idea that he should be on the bench because he isn't consistently unplayable is f***ing mental BTW. As far as consistency goes and decision making that is only hindered further by being played so inconsistently by his manager. When did I say he should be on the bench? When did I say he should be consistently unplayable? That's right, I said nothing of the sort. Get him in the team (starting on the right side of midfield for me). Hopefully he'll be as good as some of you think he is. I'd love nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You said he's far to greedy and went on to say you'd be suprised if anyone wants him. Why on earth would I assume you want him in the team with that kind of comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 His inconsistency is massively exaggerated due to the fact he's dragged off at half time and dropped dropped after 135 minutes of fairly mediocre play. He's never really had a chance to show any real consistency. Look at Remy now, had he been given the same treatment as Ben Arfa he'd have been out of the side 5-6 games ago. It's sensible that he isn't mind, most players don't put in a performance every week, you have to allow for dips in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You said he's far to greedy and went on to say you'd be suprised if anyone wants him. Of course you meant he should be the first name on the team sheet.. I would be surprised if a top team wanted to buy him. Let's be honest, if they did want to buy him I'm sure they could get him. The only rumour that ever seems to come up is Liverpool. You get upset if anyone says anything negative about Ben Arfa. Get some perspective about him. He's not as good as you think he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You said he's far to greedy and went on to say you'd be suprised if anyone wants him. Of course you meant he should be the first name on the team sheet.. I would be surprised if a top team wanted to buy him. Let's be honest, if they did want to buy him I'm sure they could get him. The only rumour that ever seems to come up is Liverpool. You get upset if anyone says anything negative about Ben Arfa. Get some perspective about him. He's not as good as you think he is. http://www.runningoffthereeses.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/blasphemy-o.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 How good do you think people think he is? He's never shown himself to be a world beater, he clearly has other factors outside of his ability on the ball that are holding him back and will probably continue to do so. There's a difference in acknowledging that and calling him greedy passing the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 How do you know how fucking good I think he is? I can see his faults and am happy to discuss them with anyone who has something more worthwhile to say than vague comments like "he's not as good as people think". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I'm still lost as to how he went from Fulham and Villa to this. It still doesn't compute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 How do you know how f***ing good I think he is? I can see his faults and am happy to discuss them with anyone who has something more worthwhile to say than vague comments like "he's not as good as people think". How am I talking shit? What do you think Ben Arfa's faults are then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I think he's been told that he has no chance of going to the World Cup.. long shot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 How do you know how f***ing good I think he is? I can see his faults and am happy to discuss them with anyone who has something more worthwhile to say than vague comments like "he's not as good as people think". How am I talking shit? What do you think Ben Arfa's faults are then? Trying to claim he's far too greedy because he chose one pass instead of another is shit IMO. I mentioned what I thought his faults were. He should be working on his decision making and his movement off the ball. Even without those improvements however he should still be starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He's been here ages and the team still can't read him. He made one run inside from halfway, beating a couple of men, but his lay off not far from the city box was disguised and played so quickly that we had to pass the ball back to the centre halves to keep control of the ball, taking the momentum out of the attack and allowing city to get back. Frustrating, we could make so more of the little situations he creates if we knew just what he was about to do. Coaching issue for me, which after so long with this club it's hard to see ever being resolved here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He's been here ages and the team still can't read him. He made one run inside from halfway, beating a couple of men, but his lay off not far from the city box was disguised and played so quickly that we had to pass the ball back to the centre halves to keep control of the ball, taking the momentum out of the attack and allowing city to get back. Frustrating, we could make so more of the little situations he creates if we knew just what he was about to do. Coaching issue for me, which after so long with this club it's hard to see ever being resolved here It took about five passes I'm sure to get out of the pressure created by the pass inside from Hatem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 He's been here ages and the team still can't read him. He made one run inside from halfway, beating a couple of men, but his lay off not far from the city box was disguised and played so quickly that we had to pass the ball back to the centre halves to keep control of the ball, taking the momentum out of the attack and allowing city to get back. Frustrating, we could make so more of the little situations he creates if we knew just what he was about to do. Coaching issue for me, which after so long with this club it's hard to see ever being resolved here Debuchy overlapping recently has created good situations with Hatem having options. No fucker ever comes to him for a one two or very rarely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hatem often plays with at least two defenders against him. When Debuchy goes behind him and drag a defender, Hatem can play a one versus one situation. With his choices, Pardew leads him to think that the only way for him to become a starter, is to score goals, to make assists or to win a penalty. Since he has no time when he comes in, and the team struggles to play well, he thinks the best way is to rely on himself and he can forget to play with Debuchy. He plays with the sense of urgency whereas he has to be a lot more composed. When a player has such dribbling skills, it's more difficult for him to keep the right balance between playing selfish and unselfish. Hatem has no indications on whether he will start or not the next match, he doesn't know exactly what Pardew expects from him in his game plan and what his place in the team is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Debuchy's upturn in form coincided with Ben Arfa's absence from the team. It somehow impressed that having Sissoko cover for Debuchy's runs got the best out of the latter. When Ben Arfa subsequently came back into the team he had to play mostly on the left wing where he's less effective. Beggars belief how you give 10, 20 mins to a player each time and people expect him to create something in that short span each time. Every wrong decision or poor pass gets amplified ten times over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 he's exciting to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 His inconsistency is massively exaggerated due to the fact he's dragged off at half time and dropped dropped after 135 minutes of fairly mediocre play. He's never really had a chance to show any real consistency. Look at Remy now, had he been given the same treatment as Ben Arfa he'd have been out of the side 5-6 games ago. It's sensible that he isn't mind, most players don't put in a performance every week, you have to allow for dips in form. Thank you for being one of the few who sees this situation for what it is. The amount of leeway Pardew faves like Shola, Remy and others in the past have received from him for doing fuck all (I'd put Cisse in there as well), HBA has been mistreated to the heavens in comparison. Give the guy some fucking confidence by giving him a run in the starting eleven so he doesn't have to feel he has to take on the whole world for the 30, 20, now 10 minutes he has on the pitch. Almost all our players, including crapheads like Williamson, have improved massively by having an extended run in the first team. For some reason, HBA isn't given this leeway, or an opportunity to grow. Still our most talented player by a fucking mile and it's a crying shame Pardew is killing his career and potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I'd be greedy as well if the only possible hope I had of getting in the team was to do something truly extraordinary. If the Stoke and Palace games weren't enough to get him in the side, I doubt a sensible cameo with some passes to the full back are going to do a great deal to convince the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Unfortunately a lot of our fans and the clown we have as manager judge him from a different set of standards to the other players He gets attacked for being inconsistent, which looking at the minutes he gets on the pitch is hardly a surprise. Unfair to demand consistency from someone who simply isn't getting the minutes He doesn't lose possession (whether it be by a dodgy pass, shot etc) any more than the guys he is competing with BUT because he has the ability to beat a couple of players with ease more is demanded from him than others who lose the ball in a "safe" way I know it's clichéd BUT give HBA to Keegan, SBR and watch him tear teams apart, instead we have a coward whose footballing philosophy is more concerned with what we do without the ball than with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I'm so desperate to see Ben Arfa get more game time that right now, I'd be happy if Pardew would just stick him upfront to partner Remy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hatem wasn't good today at all, nor has he been few occasions we have seen him, but he is a confidence player. You just aren't going to see the best out of him from the bench, especially for the limited time we see him. He absolutely needs a run in the team and an arm round the shoulder from Pardew. Its absolutely showing in his appearances. Fact is, Flair and creativity is secondary to the safety first, defensive negativity Pardew refuses to relinquish from every game, regardless of opposition. Its a broken record but we have a squad capable of playing flowing, attacking and creative football just like the sides above us and Southampton and Swansea below us. Bloody hell even teams like Norwich look like Barcelona compared to us. Pardew takes away and restricts almost everything that is natural from a footballer and fan.. the very reason why we watch and love the game, the very reason every one of those players decided to become footballs was running with the ball, scoring goals playing and watching attractive football. This can hardly sit well with the players and surely gives them the impression Pardew sees them as second best to most other teams starting lines ups. Yes defensive responsibility and in games like today a more restricted tactic needs to be employed. However, we have players capable of being creative and flowing while still being defensively sound. Its a mentality that breeds negativity and a culture of it inherent throughout the club and all that love it. It baffles me daily how we have got so far in spite of this negativity.. think where we could be with a more positive and ambitious approach. Faith is sadly lacking in almost every area of this club, but one man changing his outlook could rekindle it for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hatem wasn't good today at all He successfully dribbled past the most players on the pitch and only had 10 minutes. What do you want him to do when has 10 minutes against the best side in the country. The first time he picked up the ball, he beat two men then got a shot away. He then beat another two men but then slipped and lost the ball which was unlucky. Then he picks up the ball goes past a couple and his pull back was a poor effort but very few could have even got to the position he put himself in. Can't understand how you could say he wasn't good at all when he was clearly showing signs of class and if he had more minutes on the pitch, he was going to create some damage. Absolute farce he wasn't given at least 20 minutes, very least as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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