Guest Geordiesned Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Class is permanent. Form is temporary. Unfortunately at the minute it's looking like he was on a good run of form last season. Sorry, but was just waiting for someone to post that fucking cliche'. A cliche maybe but it's true of Cisse. This is his first poor run in his entire career and he showed for us last season that he is a class player. You don't score the type of goals he was scoring (or even attempt some of them for that matter) if you haven't got ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The same people who are (genuinely) saying they don't want Cisse to play or even feature tomorrow are the same idiots who would have been happy if Ba was sold in the summer. Class is permanent. Form is temporary. Muppets are consistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Doesn't matter if he doesn't play. He's only done well for us as the central striker in a 4-3-3, and he's not allowed to play there this season because Demba Ba has to play in the middle or he'll cry. ........which is the heart of the problem. I think it was Fergie who said that a team's strikers are the big factor in how a side is able to play. To get the most out of Cisse, he has to play in an advanced central position, with the rest of the team fitting around that. Ba made it clear that he was unhappy with that and this season has been a pointless exercise in trying to find a way round that. As I see it, we have three strikers who should be competing for one position. Cisse is the best finisher, Shola is the best target man and Ba offers you the best overall package. Shola is adaptable and is prepared to flit in and out of the team in various roles. The other two can't or won't adapt and sadly, in the long-term one of them has to go. I just feel that the problem is acting as a cancer at the heart of the team, not just in terms of playing style but also in terms of morale. I hope Pardew is just biding his time until the opportunity comes to sort the problem out in January, and that his current comments are just politician-style speak. this is how I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Class is permanent. Form is temporary. Unfortunately at the minute it's looking like he was on a good run of form last season. Sorry, but was just waiting for someone to post that fucking cliche'. A cliche maybe but it's true of Cisse. This is his first poor run in his entire career and he showed for us last season that he is a class player. You don't score the type of goals he was scoring (or even attempt some of them for that matter) if you haven't got ability. Think he had a barren spell at Freiburg - 10 games or so. I was asking some Germans about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm hoping that as we haven't heard any thing he's free to play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 FGS bet going on him today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm hoping no news is good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm sure we would've heard of something by now if he couldn't play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Well... Newcastle United is dismayed and angry at the position adopted by the Senegalese Federation, and supported by FIFA, which means that Papiss Cisse is unable to play any part in today's Premier League fixture against Swansea City. Immediately following the Premier League fixture against West Ham United on Sunday the Club went through the normal communication channels to advise the Senegalese Federation that both Papiss and Demba Ba would not be available for the international friendly match between Niger and Senegal scheduled for Wednesday, 14th November 2012, due to injury. No reply was received and as such further communications were sent to the Federation on Monday, 12th November. The Club was not prepared to allow Papiss to travel to Niger as this would have been detrimental to his clinical condition. In accordance with FIFA Regulations the Club was more than happy for the player to be examined in England by a doctor of the Federation's choice in order to validate the player's medical condition. The Federation did not take this option and instead contacted FIFA to ask them to apply the Regulation that effectively prevents Papiss from playing this weekend. It is the opinion of the Club that it is wrong and wholly unjust for a national association to behave in this manner and for FIFA to endorse their stance and automatically apply the sanction without taking into account the specific facts of the case. The Club is disappointed, although not in any way surprised, that FIFA has disregarded its submissions and valid points in relation to this matter and instead have supported a national association which ignored repeated attempts by the Club to engage with them and, furthermore, insisted on a course of action which would have had a detrimental impact on the player's physical condition. The Club understands that in addition to Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba, a number of other players were withdrawn from the Senegal squad. To the best of our knowledge Papiss Cisse and Newcastle United are the only parties that the national association has sought sanctions against. It is the Club's genuinely held view that the Senegalese Federation have an agenda against Papiss and/or Newcastle United, possibly as a reaction to the Club's decision earlier this year not to allow Papiss to participate in the London Olympics 2012. The Club intends to take this matter up with the Football Association and any other relevant body within the game to try to stop national associations/federations and FIFA from preventing an employee (a player) from fulfilling their contractual obligations to their employer (a Club). The Club acknowledges the importance of international football and the great honour players undoubtedly get from representing their country. That said national associations and FIFA should have a duty of care to Clubs with regards to their players and it cannot be allowed to continue that national associations can, as in this case, seek to act in a way which is not in the best interests of a player and compromises their well-being and, furthermore, is then able to apply to FIFA who impose a sanction which damages that individual and his employer without a fair and equitable process being applied. The Club will be speaking to its legal advisors to see if it has recourse against the Senegalese Federation and/or FIFA. Papiss Cisse said: "I am deeply disappointed by the actions of my Federation which have punished me and my Club. "I love playing for my country and would only withdraw from a squad - for either a friendly or competitive game - for a genuine reason. "I am fully supportive of the position my Club has adopted in this matter and am sorry that the Federation seem to doubt my honesty and integrity. I will now consider if I wish to continue to captain my country." http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121117/newcastle-united-club-statement_2281670_2983201 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Well... http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121117/newcastle-united-club-statement_2281670_2983201 Could be a huge blessing if he tells them to fuck off and retires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Why is 'club' capitalised everywhere in that statement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 'sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We're a fucking shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Fucking hell. Makes no sense that they're allowed to do shite like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 That's a fucking joke. We should have just played him. Fuck it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We're a fucking shambles. Pretty daft thing to come out with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We're a fucking shambles. Can't see how you can blame the club for this, a shambles would be letting him go and play injured and for him to properly knack himself, they've just got a chip on their shoulder after the Olympics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 That's a fucking joke. We should have just played him. Fuck it. And risk punishment for fielding an 'ineligable' player or whatever they'd throw at us? It's just another cunt of a situation for us, but I don't see how we can blame the club. I'd be surprised if they're talking out of their arse about their communication with the Senegalese FA. I hope they do take it further as it's a joke, I honestly can't remember the last time a player actually got blocked for playing for his contracted employers for missing a fucking friendly. Fair play to them for wanting to take this further imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Senegal are fucking bellends. Twats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So of all the players who pulled out there's only Cisse they've done this to? Cunts, hope he retires from internationals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We're a f***ing shambles. How is it our fault exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We should be asking the PL if we can postpone the game to challenge this in the courts. Threaten legal action for loss of earnings against the PL if we don't win and the courts vindicate our position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 International football is a joke and long has been. In what other profession would a entity that has no contract with a person be able to stop an employee of a company working for said company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Hoser Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 This benefits Senegal how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Fuck me, it's actually happened? Senegal can fuck right off with that shit like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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