Papiss Cissé

[Tooj]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

[Yorkie]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

 

This is exactly it.

[The College Dropout]

I wonder if Aston Villa wish they'd sold Benteke? He's having a bit of a Papiss Cissé type season so far.

 

He started the season strong. But he's been terrible for a long while now.

[The College Dropout]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

What about Remy & Gouffran?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

What the fuck has happened to him? This is for me the biggest drop in form and performance from a player I've ever seen.

[Unbelievable]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

[DJ_NUFC]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

[Dave]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

 

wat

[Unbelievable]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

 

This is exactly it.

 

No it isn't, not by a long stretch. If you'd ask Pardew who he'd rather play when given the choice, a confident striker who scores a goal a game (or even 1 in 2/3) or one who barely ever scores, I think he would prefer the former without a shadow of a doubt. The reason Cisse has offered even less to the team than Shola fucking Ameobi has nothing to do with Pardew, or even with Shola, it's because of the incredibly disappointing performances and contribution of Papiss Cisse himself.

[Unbelievable]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

 

wat

 

Sounds like a great passtime..

[DJ_NUFC]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

 

wat

 

Goodness me, what the fuck is it with this board? Dave, I just woke up, this was not some pro-Cisse laying-of-the-gauntlet sentence, I'm trying to see if the issue is simply finishing or he's completely stopped even reading the game.

[Yorkie]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

 

This is exactly it.

 

No it isn't, not by a long stretch. If you'd ask Pardew who he'd rather play when given the choice, a confident striker who scores a goal a game (or even 1 in 2/3) or one who barely ever scores, I think he would prefer the former without a shadow of a doubt. The reason Cisse has offered even less to the team than Shola fucking Ameobi has nothing to do with Pardew, or even with Shola, it's because of the incredibly disappointing performances and contribution of Papiss Cisse himself.

 

That's fair I suppose, Cisse has been utterly terrible all season and that's why he isn't in the team.

 

However, the point is, under Pardew we're likely to get more results when playing a lumbering target man, at the expense of more expansive/progressive options throughout the squad (I'm not referring to Cisse here). We've seen him dabble with 4-2-3-1s and the likes of, and the bloke hasn't got a clue. Doing it this way is just a limited tactic for a limited manager, and probably our best option. Hopefully we get a serious upgrade on Shola in January.

[DJ_NUFC]

Shola has offered more to the team because he suits the manager's style of play better.

 

This is exactly it.

 

No it isn't, not by a long stretch. If you'd ask Pardew who he'd rather play when given the choice, a confident striker who scores a goal a game (or even 1 in 2/3) or one who barely ever scores, I think he would prefer the former without a shadow of a doubt. The reason Cisse has offered even less to the team than Shola fucking Ameobi has nothing to do with Pardew, or even with Shola, it's because of the incredibly disappointing performances and contribution of Papiss Cisse himself.

 

That's fair I suppose, Cisse has been utterly terrible all season and that's why he isn't in the team.

 

However, the point is, under Pardew we're likely to get more results when playing a lumbering target man, at the expense of more expansive/progressive options throughout the squad (I'm not referring to Cisse here). We've seen him dabble with 4-2-3-1s and the likes of, and the bloke hasn't got a clue. Doing it this way is just a limited tactic for a limited manager, and probably our best option. Hopefully we get a serious upgrade on Shola in January.

 

An upgrade on a Shola-type of targetman is what Pardew dreams of every night, from the looks of it, and from our failed attempts at bringing Carroll back.

[Dave]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

 

wat

 

Goodness me, what the fuck is it with this board? Dave, I just woke up, this was not some pro-Cisse laying-of-the-gauntlet sentence, I'm trying to see if the issue is simply finishing or he's completely stopped even reading the game.

 

Calm down you tart.

[Gallowgate Toon]

What's wrong with having someone that can play as a targetman? There are quite a few good footballing sides that use someone of that ilk.

[DJ_NUFC]

I'm trying to remember some glaring misses from him... anyone? Only because that could lead us to what may be the problem is... is he getting into positions and not converting, or simply not even reading the game as he used to anymore, and positioning is the problem? I'm just as flummoxed by this as anybody.

 

wat

 

Goodness me, what the fuck is it with this board? Dave, I just woke up, this was not some pro-Cisse laying-of-the-gauntlet sentence, I'm trying to see if the issue is simply finishing or he's completely stopped even reading the game.

 

Calm down you tart.

 

I think I just got my period.

[Yorkie]

What's wrong with having someone that can play as a targetman? There are quite a few good footballing sides that use someone of that ilk.

 

Nowt. It's just frustrating knowing that we could play a different, more pleasing on the eye and more effective game - given the talent we have across the squad. But, like I say, if we want long-term results then I think Pardew has to re-hash the squad into one that suits him more. Get rid of the cultured (or shit) wingers in favour of orthodox ones, get a target man or two. It'll be a real wrench if someone like Hatem was to leave, but I'm starting to wonder what his point in the squad actually is. He's no impact sub.

[The College Dropout]

You can still play an expansive game and have a target man.

 

I've no sympathy for Papiss or Hatem not getting into the side when they legitimately offer less than the alternatives currently.

[Gallowgate Toon]

What's wrong with having someone that can play as a targetman? There are quite a few good footballing sides that use someone of that ilk.

 

Nowt. It's just frustrating knowing that we could play a different, more pleasing on the eye and more effective game - given the talent we have across the squad. But, like I say, if we want long-term results then I think Pardew has to re-hash the squad into one that suits him more. Get rid of the cultured (or s***) wingers in favour of orthodox ones, get a target man or two. It'll be a real wrench if someone like Hatem was to leave, but I'm starting to wonder what his point in the squad actually is. He's no impact sub.

 

We can play a pleasing-on-the-eye game with a targetman type. Dortmund do it, Arsenal do it, City do it, Munich have done it etc.

 

I think we've played some really great stuff over the last 2 months, the problem has been keeping the tempo of it up. We've generally used Shola well enough, in my opinion, not been too direct with his presence and he's linked up with others pretty effectively on the deck (well, in spells, at least). That's why the likes of Dortmund have prospered, they don't rely too much on one approach but vary it.

 

Shola isn't a good enough long-term option, but he's shown the benefits of having a player like him in a modern team that has lots of pace etc. Buying someone that can take his role with better fitness, more energy and a couple more goals in him should be our first move, IMO.

[Mick]

You can still play an expansive game and have a target man.

 

I've no sympathy for Papiss or Hatem not getting into the side when they legitimately offer less than the alternatives currently.

 

I'm not sure how Ben Arfa offers less than Shola, Cisse at the minute seems shot of confidence and probably needs some games in the reserves.

[Unbelievable]

I suspect his point was that Ben Arfa currently offers less than Gouffran, Sissoko and Remy, who are our currently preferred wide players/second strikers (i.e. "the alternatives"). I also suspect you knew this is what he meant and you decided to ask regardless..

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

I don't think Ben Arfa "offers less" than any of those players. Their styles of play and defensive abilities (in terms of Yoann and Moussa) are simply more suited to the way we have decided to play lately. It is not a situation like with Cisse, where his performances have been so poor that he simply cannot be started. Honestly, if the results had been different and the performances similar, I believe Pardew would have put Hatem back in the first XI by now. He is reluctant to change a winning formula. Really, I think one player is still very much in our plans, while the other is one that the club should/will look to replace.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Sell, sell, sell!

[TRon]

Playing off the last man requires some sort of intelligence and trying to beat the offside trap. He doesn't do this at all, he just runs as soon as we look to be breaking and more often than not he is caught miles offside because he doesn't look across the line or attempt to time his runs.

 

Maybe if we were pushing forward rather than looking to break (at home) he would be more useful? With more player in the opposition half it would be less easy for the opposition defenders to step up and play the offside game.

 

I just think we need to stop making excuses for him tbh.

 

Remy and Gouffran have both managed to break behind or anticipate saves/deflections etc.. The Cisse defence got old a long time ago now, we are verging on blaming the position of the moon or how Capricorns always struggle to score during this month.

 

Remy and Gouffran are better at playing on the break without doubt. But when either one has been asked to play up front as the central striker they haven't exactly pulled up any trees either tbf.

 

When was this?

 

Remy started one game as a striker in the premier, can't remember which one exactly, but there were quite a few comments after the game that he looked far more effective on the left. Gouffran started a game in the Carling Cup as striker against Oxford I think it was and he was anonymous and got subbed.

[Unbelievable]

I don't think Ben Arfa "offers less" than any of those players. Their styles of play and defensive abilities (in terms of Yoann and Moussa) are simply more suited to the way we have decided to play lately. It is not a situation like with Cisse, where his performances have been so poor that he simply cannot be started. Honestly, if the results had been different and the performances similar, I believe Pardew would have put Hatem back in the first XI by now. He is reluctant to change a winning formula. Really, I think one player is still very much in our plans, while the other is one that the club should/will look to replace.

 

Agree 100%