Yorkie Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 What's going on with this guy, why's he not getting a game? Given his versatility and the fact that not many of our lot are setting the world alight you'd think he'd play. Amazed that Simpson has just strolled back into the team like he's one of our most important players. Seems to me that he's not playing ball with the versatility thing. Perch is better than him at CM, and he doesn't want to play RB, so he's on the bench. That's how i'm seeing it, anyway. I'd have him at RB every week tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 What's going on with this guy, why's he not getting a game? Given his versatility and the fact that not many of our lot are setting the world alight you'd think he'd play. Amazed that Simpson has just strolled back into the team like he's one of our most important players. Seems to me that he's not playing ball with the versatility thing. Perch is better than him at CM, and he doesn't want to play RB, so he's on the bench. That's how i'm seeing it, anyway. I'd have him at RB every week tbh. I find that very strange then, Pardew will/should have known that this would be an issue if that's the case. Quite often there are only 2 central midfield spots to be had and you've got Cabaye, Tiote, Perch and even Bigi and Jonas ahead of him in the pecking order. Surely he'd rather play than not play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Dunno tbh. It's early days, but my gut instinct is that his signing is one big swing-and-a-miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Inclined to agree, which is infuriating given that we could have done with a specialist RB, centre half and/or winger-type forward instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 We've been a bit spoilt lately TBH. Tiote, HBA, Cabaye, Cisse and even Santon to a point have all came from abroad and slotted straight in. It's almost as if we now expect every Carr signing to be top class and hit the ground running. How many minutes has Anita even played for us any way? I remember him looking good in Europe a couple of times, a good cameo against Spurs and then he struggled in the 2-3 other games I've seen him in. There's been negatives don't get me wrong. But plenty to like about him as well. I didn't mention the likes of Marveaux, Abeid and Amalfitano, as they just seem like opportunist signings and they were free. The last two weren't even signed as first teamers either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Kristan Heneage @KHeneage I also asked Pardew about Anita, he said he's more suited to games when they dominate possession. Which as the stats bear out was not today. But in order to dominate possession, surely we should be playing people like Anita? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Kristan Heneage @KHeneage I also asked Pardew about Anita, he said he's more suited to games when they dominate possession. Which as the stats bear out was not today. But in order to dominate possession, surely we should be playing people like Anita? Yep. When do we ever dominate possession as well? We rarely have over 55% at the end of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Kristan Heneage @KHeneage I also asked Pardew about Anita, he said he's more suited to games when they dominate possession. Which as the stats bear out was not today. But in order to dominate possession, surely we should be playing people like Anita? We should go out with the mentality against teams like Sunderland and WBA that we can dominate. We've shown we're better, we have the better players. Pardew just seem too worried of losing to really let the team play to it's strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 A central midfielder shouldn't have been our first and only major signing during the last transfer window when we were crying out for defenders and a forward. Spending £8 million on midfield and nothing on defence and attack has already cost us and I bet we make the same mistake again because we'll be looking for what we think is value rather than what we actually need. On that basis the signing of Anita was madness and should have been way down our list of priorities. Having said that, he shouldn't be written off after so few games. Seeing as the final bid for Debuchy was 6.3m euro apparently. Why find the other 2m for Anita and give up on Debuchy?? None of it makes sense. Anita is a good player from a club with a strong culture but might not be robust enough for the rough and tumble of the PL, especially in midfield. I hope he comes through this difficult period but it will take time for him to adjust as it does all imports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 So we basically surrendered possession to West Bromwich Albion What kind of ridiculous comment is that, we're at home man, we should be looking to dominate teams te majority of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 When do we ever keep possession? You cant persist with a 4-4-2 hoofball, whilst getting 55/60% possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 What confuses me most of all is the complete contrast in style between EL games to PL games. We keep it on the floor a lot more in Europe it's not perfect but it's not going to be with a lot of back up players i just don't understand why we can't do that in the league too. Especially against the poorer teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Have to bear in mind that the sides we've played in Europe have been cack. Much easier to play against weaker sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Have to bear in mind that the sides we've played in Europe have been cack. Much easier to play against weaker sides. Are they really worse than the likes of Sunderland, Villa, Reading etc though ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Yeah, they are. Maybe Bordeaux aren't but even if they aren't they put in a stinking one off display. We won't have an easier game all season than that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Completely disagree. I reckon teams like Bordeaux or Brugge, i.e. teams that are near the top of their respective leagues, will beat a team like Reading more often than not. The quality gap in the Premiership is huge, and whilst the Prem as a whole is stronger than the French or Belgian leagues, that doesn't equate to every team in it being stronger than teams near the top of those leagues.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I think the physicality is the difference against the European sides at the level we're facing at the moment. We always look so much stronger and quicker than the sides in the Europa, yet often slow and weak domestically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 The pace for me, they are used to much more time on the ball and more elaborate paly therefore. When against prem league sides they struggle to do this and make more mistakes, apart from one or two obvious teams (Barca) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/11/04/why-yohan-cabaye-is-in-the-top-ten-midfield-stars-79310-32161744/ Why Yohan Cabaye is in the top ten midfield stars Nov 4 2012 by Neil Cameron, Sunday Sun YOHAN CABAYE is an entire midfield wrapped into one bloke. He is a playmaker who can pass the ball with unerring accuracy but doesn’t mind sitting deep and defending when it’s needed. And when the tackles are flying about, the Frenchman can be found in the middle of the boots and blood playing the hardman. This is why Alan Pardew rates him as one of the best midfielders in the Premier League; the best he has ever had the pleasure to coach. It’s the reason the club didn’t entertain a discreet inquiry, widely believed to be Tottenham, for the 26-year-old during the summer. The Newcastle United manager allows himself a smile now as he recalled the first few times Cabaye felt the brute force of a Premier League midfield battle, something he felt was “unjust” given how he played the game. However, the former Lille star soon got used to the rough and tumble of English football and there is now few better in the country, according to the man who bought him 17 months ago. Pardew said: “I would certainly put Yohan in that top eight or 10 Premier League midfielders. Because it’s very difficult to find a midfield player who has not just his work ethic, but also the creative ability he has. He’s certainly the best I’ve worked with in my time, which is why he’s a French international. I’ve had Michael Carrick, Javier Mascherano at West Ham, then Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan here. I’ve had very good players in his position, but he’s the best. He certainly doesn’t hide from the physical side. You know, he has got a little fuse in him. A couple of times he has reacted in a negative way, in my opinion, which he is overcoming. “He took a couple of heavy tackles last year and he finds that unjust. I think a lot of creative players think it’s unjust when they get tough treatment. “But that’s the Premier League and that’s what makes it the great finder-outer of great players. You know if you’re going to be a great central midfield player, Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, this is the league to do it in – and I think France are getting the benefit from that. “We did have a muted inquiry as to would we sell and we said no, so it didn’t go any further “I remember the Sunderland game, his third match for us, where he really didn’t know what was going on. Trust me. “He didn’t know his head from his tail. This year he gets it. He understands it’s a physical game and you’ve got to bring something different to the party.” Cabaye is the perfect example of how Newcastle have beaten their rivals to players who for whatever reason failed to appear on their radar. Although why nobody else spotted the talents of Lille’s midfield general during their title-winning season is anyone’s guess. Today’s opponents Liverpool are trying to go down a similar route, which has seen Cabaye, Cheick Tiote and Davide Santon arrive on Tyneside to little fanfare. Pardew said: “I think the key to succeeding in terms of finding talent is seeing potential. Santon is an example of someone with potential not a lot of clubs were looking at. “He’d had this amazing start and then a really difficult time at Inter Milan and an injury that set him back. So he kind of went under the radar and they are the ones that really you need to find. Hatem Ben Arfa is another – again clubs weren’t queuing up to take Hatem. “That’s where you’ve got to be clever and Graham Carr has done a great job in finding one or two of those, and then it’s about coming into an environment where we grow them and look after our players. But we’re not the only club who do that. Liverpool, I think, will go down that road – and a lot of PL clubs will go down that road. The competition is already fiercer. We found that in the last window. “We had more competition with some of the players we went for. We’re going to find that – and it’s about us evolving as well. We have to evolve. We ain’t going to get a free run at those players any more.” And Pardew revealed another potential gem is being scrutinised at the moment, although he wouldn’t name the target. He said: “When Graham targets a player we usually have three or four choices of players Graham thinks could be great for us and then it gets whittled down to two after finance and then I make a call. “And then I really am looking at the vision of what we’ve got. “We’re looking at a player now and looking into his background and character, because we feel he really could be the one for us. Patience is needed sometimes. “We’ve got one at the moment, Vurnon Anita, a player with fantastic technical ability. “But he’s found it a struggle so far with the pace of the Premier League, the same as Cabaye and Santon. “So Vernon is one we’ve got to be patient with. We’ve paid a lot of money for him by our standards so it’s about constant patience, constantly working and hopefully at the same time getting results. That has to go hand in hand “Patience isn’t a word you hear a lot in football but Brendan, my counterpart, is very good at that. Those young boys going in and doing well for Liverpool reflect what Brendan has put into them. So sometimes you’ve got to show patience and sometimes it’s about being confident with them.” Pardew and Rodgers worked together at Reading and remain friends, although that relationship would be tested if Liverpool, as expected, makes a move for Demba Ba in January. Asked if Rodgers had spoken to him about the player, Pardew said: “No I wouldn’t go down that road with Brendan! But I think they (Liverpool) kind of like our players … that’s fair enough!” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Much better son Keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Yeh looking good. Composed and neat in posession. Could be our own Joe Allen type player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 hopefully keeps this up. Have no doubts he'll be a good player if we play the right formation and he plays his right position on a consistent basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Looking the part in midfield today, Rather than being too European in style , he is taking on the English game. He sort out his passing, which was slightly too slow for the PL and the weight of his passing has being increased as well. He also seemed to be looking to tackle rather than to roam and wait for the right time. Certainly improvements on his part. Hope the lad settles soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Playing well and I'm glad we're keeping faith with him. He'll eventually prove how good he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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