Guest Dontooner Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 laughable, Pardew tend to say things that i like to hear but show absolutely no actions on those words. A bit like my subordinate that does fuck all but can sell himself to the devil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Sharrap man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Give him a chance, he's said that he's recognised the problem, he might come up with an answer. I'm not too bothered about what he says, I'm more interested in his actions. It's a fair point. You could argue that he already has got his chance. He´s been here 2 years now and for what I can tell his gone backwards the last 6 months. That´s not the sign for me that he will turn anything around no matter the reasons to it. I think there is no coming back. Had his chance? Priceless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Give him a chance, he's said that he's recognised the problem, he might come up with an answer. I'm not too bothered about what he says, I'm more interested in his actions. His words don't usually relate to his actions that closely, but aye we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 losing my patience with his sales-man type speeches, he's a politicians, tells the people what they want to hear, well he's not pulling the wool over my eyes. he can't use excuses such as lack of financial reasons , thats unacceptable. Most of us can deal with shyte boring but functional football, aslong it gets results, but keep dishing out the same old shyt turgid performances with piss poor results and he will soon know how fast the toon fans can turn the tide on him, and i wont be amongst any of the ones who will feel sorry for the man. I don't care if a player is being payed £100 or £100,000 a week, it's not fucking difficult to tell them how to make a five yard pass , you dont need to be Lionel Messi to be able to pass a simple ball. Fuck we all been in the schoolyards with a fucking tennis ball its not rocket science kicking something around. Fuck off pardew shitter teams on less money are resembling the look of a football team. all we got now is a manager 'coaching' a bunch of men to run around the field trying to impersonate footballers, and most of us arent really convinced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Deary me, someone's been at grandma's sherry again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Give him a chance, he's said that he's recognised the problem, he might come up with an answer. So what he does isn't important, it's what he's saying. OK. Fair enough. I'm not too bothered about what he says, I'm more interested in his actions. Ah. So it's not what he says. It's what he does. I'm not really sure why you found the need to break up my post like that. Maybe I'm missing something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 His words don't usually relate to his actions that closely, but aye we'll see. My problem with him this season, and for quite a bit of last, has been that he's set us up to play a certain way which hasn't worked and he's repeated it time, after time, after time, after time. At least he seems to recognise whatever he's been doing hasn't been working and at least he now claims he'll do something about it. I see that at least as being a change in his stance and hope that his actions back up his words, if they don't then he's an idiot and possibly a lost cause. To recognise a mistake and then repeat it is worse for me and I'm hopeful that it's not going to happen. At the same time, I do know that he talks a good talk. This is a big week for Pardew and for us regardless of the results. You can play brilliantly at times and get done by a sucker goal so I’m looking more at how we go about the game than the result. If we hoof the ball tomorrow against Swansea, he’s an idiot. We’ve got enough injuries and a suspension to justify him changing the way that we play. He could move Ba and tell him that he’s our most important player with Cabaye being out. He could easily go 4-3-3 with Marveaux taking the place of Cabaye as our play maker. If he goes as some have suggested with Tiote, Perch and Anita then we might struggle to make a positive impact because two of those are not creative players and the other is still getting up to speed. I hope we play a 3 man midfield of Tiote, Marveaux and Anita, and a front 3 of Ba left, Cisse central and Ben Arfa of the right. I can see no reason why we can’t do that and have our front 3 changing things around once we’re into the game. He’s claimed that Europe is getting in the way because we have play two different styles with two different teams. The answer to that problem will be seen on Thursday and if he again makes 9 or 10 changes then he’s an idiot, 2 home games should be well within our better players capabilities. Also, I fully believe that the players who got us into Europe deserve to be able to play in the competition. Some of our fans have said that the Europa is a Mickey Mouse competition and that may be true, I can’t remember any of our players having a go about it so they may not feel the same way so let them play. Let our better players build up an understanding with each other from one game to the next. Forget about the opposition and concentrate on what we do as a team as we should be able to carry good play from one game to the next. We don’t need to field two teams a week and it’s clearly not helping our build up to games when we’re doing it. Pardew is a puzzle, he’s played a strong team in the domestic cups against shit opposition when we could have done with playing hungrier and motivated players yet in Europe he’s doing the opposite, why? It doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense to me and it never will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I agree with Mick, I don't think Pardew has a fucking clue what he's doing, I don't think the players like the way we play and I'm sure most of them don't think it suits them individually. It's maybe not Pardew's fault that he still has to pick Simpson, Williamson and Krul who really are professional hoofballers, but as they are the best we have he could try and encourage them to keep the ball and pass it to one of their own players, rather than blast it forwards. Talking of Krul, he gets no where near the criticism he should get for his awful distribution and lack of basic football skills. Maybe we made the wrong choice, Fraser looks like the real deal in every way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think what's the worst is he actually knows the problem but has no idea how to solve it, i.e. the Ba and Cisse issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Havent seen Krul play for Holland, but im quite sure he doesn't hoof it for the national team. Wonder why.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 going to have to disagree quite a bit with mick. last season, for all many of us thought we could be getting better from what we had, from the managers point of view he was getting results and i can easily understand that. bringing cisse in and his introduction (remember forced on him really by bests injury) worked from the start allowed pardew due to being in a comfortable position to go s*** or bust. so i'm not going to have a go at him for last season. this season is different and i will blame him a bit but not to the extent of calling him an idiot, with so many changes being forced on him through injury, suspension and loss of form , the latter which may or may not be down to his tactics, and you can just about understand, even if you don't agree, with why he'd retreat into solidity. one more thing, if you are hanging so much on marveaux playing in a midfield 3 then I'd say you've already made up your mind as a)it won't happen, b)he's shown little enough to be included in his preferred positions let alone in an all action middle 3 (i'd rather a 4 with ben arfa left and obertan or marveaux right than marveaux in the middle). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Deary me, someone's been at grandma's sherry again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 At this point, its not too difficult to change the rhythm of our current plight, we just have to change the defensive first mentality. Let the players attack and move out of their positions to more advance positions, it might mean a more open game but doesnt necessarily mean it is a automatic forfeit. Its only when we allow our team to go on the offensive, we could start discussing the strategies and tactics to open up the oppositions. However at this moment, we are a team that straps down our players and they are not allowed to express themselves. We are a full team defending but a quarter of a team going forward. The constant complains that we rely on individual brilliance is directly associated with the ratio of priorities mentioned above, as it does look like we tend to score but with very straight or direct strategies. Just ask ourselves a couple questions, Do you think we are the most defensive minded team in the League ? -Personally, i have watched all teams this season and can comfortably say we are the most defensive team in the league at the moment. What type of (Offensive/Defensive) football is better suited to the current team of players ? -I would think we have attacking players to actually hurt teams and keep the opposition worrying. These players we bought are obviously more suited in roles to attack and not spend most of their games defending and protecting. -The right sided defensive players are probably the weakest link in our team but we still allow them to distribute the play from the back with long balls, which just means we do not want to take too much risk going forward therefore the tactics. The gap of the midfielders and forwards are ridiculous to watch at times.. 1)The simple summary is that we need to take more Risk. 2)The second problem if and ever Pardew allows the "Risk": Is how do we effectively and efficiently use the "Risk" to convert into real chances. We are still at part 1) so there is no need to discuss about part 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 hope the bad results force him to abandon his safety first approach to games, plan a has started failing badly so he's got three options really (1) keep it same and hope something changes (2) get the team back to his basics, tighten up the defence then hope the goals follow (3) change the approach and look to be more attacking and expansive problem with (3) is he'd be very, very lucky if it clicks in right away and he'll know that therefore i don't think he'll do it...he'd have to be willing to accept some defeats in order to change the style of play and if he was going to do that he'd surely have implemented it over the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/tou78.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 hope the bad results force him to abandon his safety first approach to games, plan a has started failing badly so he's got three options really (1) keep it same and hope something changes (2) get the team back to his basics, tighten up the defence then hope the goals follow (3) change the approach and look to be more attacking and expansive problem with (3) is he'd be very, very lucky if it clicks in right away and he'll know that therefore i don't think he'll do it...he'd have to be willing to accept some defeats in order to change the style of play and if he was going to do that he'd surely have implemented it over the summer Aye he's not going to change the style of play, particularly when we're missing a few first team players, Pardew's all about negating weak points rather than emphasising strong points. It started with playing Jonas in front of Raylor as a second full back and it's continued from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 At this point, its not too difficult to change the rhythm of our current plight, we just have to change the defensive first mentality. Let the players attack and move out of their positions to more advance positions, it might mean a more open game but doesnt necessarily mean it is a automatic forfeit. Its only when we allow our team to go on the offensive, we could start discussing the strategies and tactics to open up the oppositions. However at this moment, we are a team that straps down our players and they are not allowed to express themselves. We are a full team defending but a quarter of a team going forward. The constant complains that we rely on individual brilliance is directly associated with the ratio of priorities mentioned above, as it does look like we tend to score but with very straight or direct strategies. Just ask ourselves a couple questions, Do you think we are the most defensive minded team in the League ? -Personally, i have watched all teams this season and can comfortably say we are the most defensive team in the league at the moment. What type of (Offensive/Defensive) football is better suited to the current team of players ? -I would think we have attacking players to actually hurt teams and keep the opposition worrying. These players we bought are obviously more suited in roles to attack and not spend most of their games defending and protecting. -The right sided defensive players are probably the weakest link in our team but we still allow them to distribute the play from the back with long balls, which just means we do not want to take too much risk going forward therefore the tactics. The gap of the midfielders and forwards are ridiculous to watch at times.. 1)The simple summary is that we need to take more Risk. 2)The second problem if and ever Pardew allows the "Risk": Is how do we effectively and efficiently use the "Risk" to convert into real chances. We are still at part 1) so there is no need to discuss about part 2. The only player I see playing with any kind of freedom is Hatem and he still has to track back and knacker himself in our own half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Pressure is on Pardew if we lose today, surely? He was quick to take the plaudits last season. but the listless and half-arsed performances have become all too regular this season. Worrying times, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I remember when there was the talk-in before the season, Pardew with a beer and a smile on his face. Confident and smart as ever. How times have changed so quickly once again at NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Lost faith in him tbh. Wasn't this his exact shtick at his previous clubs? Do well for a while, then the wheels completely come off on his second year? Not gonna start calling for his head or anything, deserves a chance to turn it around. I don't think he will though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejaxer Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Lost faith in him tbh. Wasn't this his exact shtick at his previous clubs? Do well for a while, then the wheels completely come off on his second year? Not gonna start calling for his head or anything, deserves a chance to turn it around. I don't think he will though. Was the same at West Ham? 8th Finish and an FA Cup final, then he guides them to their worse ever start in the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 appalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 At least we kept our star players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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