Cronky Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Fifth place flattered us a lot last season, and some of the changes that we should have made over the summer, we now have to try and do in January. The chief aim seemed to be to concentrate on keeping the players that we had, when in fact some of the players weren't as good as was widely thought. Pardew has to take some blame for that inaction. We needed to bring in a more mobile and skilful striker who could link well with the midfield. Ba and Cisse don't work well as a combination, and one of them could have been sacrificed to bring a new man in. Ba was doing all the grumbling and should have been told to lump it or go. The policy of trying to please him has backfired. He doesn't look that interested at the moment, and team morale has been harmed. The Tiote - Cabaye combination has been over-rated. Tiote slows down possession, and Cabaye is more of a playmaker than an attacking midfielder. We could have done with someone who really attacks the box from centre midfield. We were unlucky today in that our three most skilful players were absent, and that amplified the problem. Given the players at our disposal, I don't think the problem was tactics or motivation. It was a lack of quality in key areas, for which bad planning over the summer is largely to blame. Time to hold our nerve though. Let's stick with Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 last season when we brought in the likes of Cabaye, it was cos Pardew wanted to "control game" and keep possession and while we did that last season it seems he only has the confidence to do that when we are at full strength and he has Tiote and Cabaye in the middle of the park, when one or both are missing we just revert to hoofing it and this season the hoof seems to come before trying to keep possession. Surely we should be on the training pitch and coaching the whole team to keep it and have faith in the other players to do the job if Cabaye and Tiote are missing. Thats one thing with the likes of Rodgers and Martinez, they have a philosophy and identity for there teams and all the players in the squad buy into it and a couple of players missing doesn't effect the way the team plays. We chop and change during games as well as game to game. That's because we're more interested in countering the opposition threat than having our own. We work on defensive organisation 80% of the week, the coaching staff have openly stated that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 God he doesn't half talk some shit, couldn't even bring myself to watch the whole thing. Take some fucking responsibility for the mess he's got us in. One win in 8 games, and that being a lucky last minute shot deflecting in off Cisses back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The amount of players Wigan had bombing forward at every opportunity when I was watching MOTD was inspiring and exuded confidence in the ability of the team; the opposition were relentlessly on the back foot and you could tell the players were feeding off that. So far Pardew's rhetoric and performance showcases the exact antithesis of this approach; evoke anxiety about your own sides ability to do the basics of defending; so much so that they become obsessed with shape and cultivating a sense of fear. That sounds drastic, but the contrasts between the two approaches were stark. It may seem churlish as one of the uninitiated to the professional game to see things in such a black and white fashion; though Pardew needs to show conviction in a paradigm shift away from whatever the fuck this apparent system is. He needs to do it quickly, with a win in the next two games I reckon, if he is to see out the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What in the fuck has the board and not getting him new players got to do with our pattern of play or set penises for instance. You can have a team of kids and still try something different, to keep trying the same ridiculous thing at all our set penises is simply BAD MANAGEMENT. To not try decoy runners, front post, or short, or a numerous amount of other imaginative set penises is mental. But to stick with the same unsuccessful ball to the back stick every single time is BAD MANAGEMENT. Now i think its becoming clear that his formation and tactics are going the same way as the set penises. He is showing just as much imagination with those as he has in the last 18 months in our set penises. FUCK ALL. I'm no kneejerker but i'm as worried now as i've ever been, even more so as i dont think he will be sacked. I'm done with his bullshit and charming personna. Change things or fuck off. Clear as it gets, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I love how 'Set Penises' is the accepted term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What in the f*** has the board and not getting him new players got to do with our pattern of play or set penises for instance. You can have a team of kids and still try something different, to keep trying the same ridiculous thing at all our set penises is simply BAD MANAGEMENT. To not try decoy runners, front post, or short, or a numerous amount of other imaginative set penises is mental. But to stick with the same unsuccessful ball to the back stick every single time is BAD MANAGEMENT. Now i think its becoming clear that his formation and tactics are going the same way as the set penises. He is showing just as much imagination with those as he has in the last 18 months in our set penises. f*** ALL. I'm no kneejerker but i'm as worried now as i've ever been, even more so as i dont think he will be sacked. I'm done with his bullshit and charming personna. Change things or f*** off. Clear as it gets, imo. i can't for one second understand people using the injuries or lack of investment excuses.... How would buying lots of players change anything? there's a fundamental issue with tactics, gameplan and mentality which buying players won't fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You could buy players who'd suit a direct style if that's how we're going to proceed for starters as around half our team are completely wasted at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I love how 'Set Penises' is the accepted term Well tbf to me as the origin of it, they are cocking awful. It was only a matter of time before someone else would have said it. Amazingly so, even after his bullshit on Radio Newcastle about "how we will be working on something different for the new season" or something along those lines. We have done nothing different at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What in the f*** has the board and not getting him new players got to do with our pattern of play or set penises for instance. You can have a team of kids and still try something different, to keep trying the same ridiculous thing at all our set penises is simply BAD MANAGEMENT. To not try decoy runners, front post, or short, or a numerous amount of other imaginative set penises is mental. But to stick with the same unsuccessful ball to the back stick every single time is BAD MANAGEMENT. Now i think its becoming clear that his formation and tactics are going the same way as the set penises. He is showing just as much imagination with those as he has in the last 18 months in our set penises. f*** ALL. I'm no kneejerker but i'm as worried now as i've ever been, even more so as i dont think he will be sacked. I'm done with his bullshit and charming personna. Change things or f*** off. Clear as it gets, imo. i can't for one second understand people using the injuries or lack of investment excuses.... How would buying lots of players change anything? there's a fundamental issue with tactics, gameplan and mentality which buying players won't fix. I totally accept that with 3 or so better player we would be a much better team. But we dont have 3 more players. The tactics, formation, set penises and overall displays have nowt to do with not getting new players. Its down to bad management plain and simple. And a bad manager always blames others, starting to see that too. I hope he turns it around but i hold absolutely no hope that he will or can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You could buy players who'd suit a direct style if that's how we're going to proceed for starters as around half our team are completely wasted at the moment. We would have to basically buy a whole new team for that so again it's no excuse for the poor performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You could buy players who'd suit a direct style if that's how we're going to proceed for starters as around half our team are completely wasted at the moment. If that's the decision you have to make - stick with the manager and change the players, or stick with the players and change the manager - i know which i'd prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You could buy players who'd suit a direct style if that's how we're going to proceed for starters as around half our team are completely wasted at the moment. If that's the decision you have to make - stick with the manager and change the players, or stick with the players and change the manager - i know which i'd prefer. I said the same thing earlier in the thread. Writing off the season I can just about stomach, but it's losing the players I'm worried about if he stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm very much of the opinion that he's earned the right to have the time to turn it around but the frustration is that long term issues like set pieces, Krul's distribution and our ability to come from behind are showing little sign of improving. Pardew needs to address the faults quickly and turn it around other wise it's going to get very ugly very quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 As if anyone decent would join us this January Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 As if anyone decent would join us this January Pardew, "hey yohan did you speak to sissoko and debuchy for me again?" Cabaye "hey look where we are you t***" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The difference between last season and this is playing in the Europa League. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The difference between last season and this is playing in the Europa League. Simple as that. It totally snuck up upon us at the end of August. How are we supposed to plan for that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The difference between last season and this is playing in the Europa League. Simple as that. And people expect things to change for the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm really starting to doubt that Pardew actually know's what the issues are with the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'd have kept the faith if he wasn't coming out with such shit. Systems don't matter, you just have to work hard. We didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea. We're lacking intensity because of the UEFA cup. Just a few examples of absolute tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 As the weeks go by, the more Pardew is seemingly out of touch with reality. Definitely still trust him to turn it around mind but it's so fucking frustrating how things are going at the moment. Pressure's almost certainly got to him - he really needs to stay calm and needs to show the players and the fans that he's got a hold of the situation. His previously quoted meticulous preparation for games is definitely not so evident this season. Said this last week, this is now the biggest test of his managerial career and one which I sincerely hope he succeeds in, for his sake and the club's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What evidence do people have for believing Pardew will turn it around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 What evidence do people have for believing Pardew will turn it around? Depends to what extent. Do I think we'll finish top 6 again? Not any more. Do I think he can at least get us grinding out some results again in the end and getting us around 8th-10th? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You could buy players who'd suit a direct style if that's how we're going to proceed for starters as around half our team are completely wasted at the moment. If that's the decision you have to make - stick with the manager and change the players, or stick with the players and change the manager - i know which i'd prefer. I'm not advocating it btw but nothing is matching up at the moment, IMO that's the manager's fault, he found a winning formula last season that has been binned off for whatever reason and the players he is using to play how we did at the beginning of last season aren't firing, Ba aside. Given the way we have been playing it's no wonder we went after Carroll and De Jong given their height and stature but why we signed a multitude of ball playing midfielders is beyond me at the moment if we're not looking to play passing football. I'm of the Pardew has little say in transfers camp though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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