Alan Pardew

[Wullie]

Missed that.

 

Unprecedented ffs. Wasn't so long ago we were going out with Ramage, Edgar, Pattison and Huntington because injuries were so bad.

 

Of the two injuries, Taylor was out nearly all last season and Ben Arfa couldn't get a sniff until last January.

[Jack Flash]

Remember when all the problems were down to playing in the Europa League every week?

 

Since we last played in it: LLWLLLLDL

 

Watch us win the Europa and get relegated. Madness. Classic Pards.

 

Winning something.

 

Winning

[TRon]

I don't think we should get rid.

 

This season has been unprecedented in terms of injuries.

 

The people who should be looking at themselves are people like Ashley, Llambias and Charnley for not getting players "over the line" in the summer and now.

 

Unprecendented?

 

Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Steven Taylor have been injured since mid/late November. That's about it.

 

The fact of the matter is that even when they were all fit, and we had Ba scoring for fun, we were still performing to the same standard that we are now. The same cowardly, negative, anti-football mentality stemming from Pardew was permeating the team a few months ago with Cabaye, Ba and Ben Arfa in it and causing us to play less than the sum of our parts - just like it is at the moment. Cabaye's form was at an all time low for us since he arrived here, Ben Arfa's form had begun to dip quite badly going into November, and Steven Taylor started the season playing like the Steven Taylor of old, i.e. back off like a muppet all the time and effectively hiding all game. The players' confidence had started to dip long before these "unprecedented" injuries started to affect us.

 

Pardew has tried to spin excuses about Europe tiring everyone out and needing more players to be signed, and unfortunately some folk appear to have bought it. But that's just him doing what he does best, something that has enabled him to actually have a decent career as a Premiership manager, i.e. bullshitting so as to deflect attention away from the fact that he can't get a group of relatively talented footballers to play well. He did it at West Ham when he claims he was unfairly sacked after the board forced Tevez and Mascherano on him, and he'll say the same thing if he gets sacked this week, i.e. that the Newcastle board worked against him, didn't bring in who he wanted, etc etc. It needs to be noted that practically every other team in the league, no matter who the personnel or the names (Norwich still have half their Championship sqiad ffs), nearly every one of them either plays better football or functions much better as a team than us. Signing more players (even if needed) or getting Ben Arfa, Cabaye, etc, back fit won't do anything other than paper over the cracks under this conman of a manager.

 

Yep, well said.

 

Aye that's a cracking post. Was going to mention the Tevez/Mascherano fiasco myself at some point. It's amazing how many cock ups this man has made in his career in such a short space of time. Alongside Souness, one of the all time biggest frauds in our era.

[Interpolic]

I know Ian, and he definitely isn't trolling. I don't agree with his craic, but that's his genuine opinion and he's a good guy so he's more than entitled to it.

 

Having said that I completely disagree with his points. Pardew lost us the game today, not the fans. It was mental for the crowd to boo the cabaye substitution, but the Anita and marveaux sub booings were massively justified.

 

Pardew officially lost it today, most managers don't even get the luxury of reaching that point

 

Huh?  There was no injury that was clearly apparent.

 

I'm inclined to side with Wullie and not believe Pardew about the injury anyway, I started thinking that's the sort of thing Pardew thinks is fair game when I wasted my time and money going to Brighton only for him to completely short-change me in every possible sense.

[Mick]

Pardew said: "I am strong enough and have been in situations before where I can deal with where we are at.

 

But I think it's obvious that the team wants a result. That would help every situation."

 

Great spot Al. :lol:

 

The bit I've bolded is shit isn't it?  I'm not sure that he's been in a relegation fight at any club and turned it around.

[David Icke - Son of God]

I know Ian, and he definitely isn't trolling. I don't agree with his craic, but that's his genuine opinion and he's a good guy so he's more than entitled to it.

 

Having said that I completely disagree with his points. Pardew lost us the game today, not the fans. It was mental for the crowd to boo the cabaye substitution, but the Anita and marveaux sub booings were massively justified.

 

Pardew officially lost it today, most managers don't even get the luxury of reaching that point

 

Huh?  There was no injury that was clearly apparent.

 

I'm inclined to side with Wullie and not believe Pardew about the injury anyway, I started thinking that's the sort of thing Pardew thinks is fair game when I wasted my time and money going to Brighton only for him to completely short-change me in every possible sense.

 

Hadn't he just chucked himself into a wicked overhead kick on the edge of the 18 yard box when he was subbed? Not the antics of a man who is carrying a knock tbh.

[jimmymag]

Pardew said: "I am strong enough and have been in situations before where I can deal with where we are at.

 

But I think it's obvious that the team wants a result. That would help every situation."

 

Great spot Al. :lol:

 

The bit I've bolded is shit isn't it?  I'm not sure that he's been in a relegation fight at any club and turned it around.

 

He doesn't say he's successfully dealt with it.

[Interpolic]

Pardew said: "I am strong enough and have been in situations before where I can deal with where we are at.

 

But I think it's obvious that the team wants a result. That would help every situation."

 

Great spot Al. :lol:

 

The bit I've bolded is shit isn't it?  I'm not sure that he's been in a relegation fight at any club and turned it around.

 

He doesn't say he's successfully dealt with it.

 

[Tsunami]

Remember when all the problems were down to playing in the Europa League every week?

 

Since we last played in it: LLWLLLLDL

 

Watch us win the Europa and get relegated. Madness. Classic Pards.

 

Winning something.

 

Winning

quote]

 

Something  :yao: :yao:

[Mick]

 

 

He doesn't say he's successfully dealt with it.

 

  True.

[Mattoon]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

[Dave]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

 

I honestly don't think players really give a shit about who the manager is. Some of them have better relationships with certain managers, but in general if they're coming they're coming for the money and to play for NUFC, not because our manager is Alan Pardew or anyone else we could attract.

[TRon]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

 

Tend to agree. He'll be sacked shortly after we lose to Villa I reckon.

[Mattoon]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

 

I honestly don't think players really give a s*** about who the manager is. Some of them have better relationships with certain managers, but in general if they're coming they're coming for the money and to play for NUFC, not because our manager is Alan Pardew or anyone else we could attract.

 

The point I was making is who wants to come to a team not knowing who the manager is going to be? Think it would be wise to hold onto him until the end of the window and then release the hounds!

[jimmymag]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

 

Tend to agree. He'll be sacked shortly after we lose to Villa I reckon.

 

I'd settle for that at this point, just can't see it happening. Pardew getting the sack I mean, not us losing to Villa.

 

 

[Guest malandro]

The fans chanted his name for most of the game. He has had far too much time and leniance from the crowd at NUFC, the reaction today should have happened months ago.

 

I do find it bizarre like, how much leeway he's getting. Can't understand it at all. I've typically been one of the first to start the Souness/Roeder Out bandwagon so I'm used to having to wait until the majority come to their senses but I've seen people who know their football on Facebook tonight saying they're "Team Pardew"

 

I just cannot get my head round it. This form is far worse than anything we've come close to before.

 

A combination of Ashley induced apathy and years of everything that goes wrong at NUFC being attributed to our 'unreal expectations' by media fuckwits.  As I said in the success thread, over the last five years we have been conditioned to accept any old shit. Become scared shitless of venting any dissatisfaction in case we get accused of owning a bed sheet.

 

Be it local journalists, fanzines or supporters in L7 - public criticism of the current regime has been silenced through a combination of carrot and stick. It's taken today's low point to wake some of them from their trance. The rest will no doubt carry on putting self interest ahead of the club's best interests.

 

It matters little if AP stays or goes, he's a symptom not the cause.

 

[Wullie]

More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players.

 

I honestly don't think players really give a s*** about who the manager is. Some of them have better relationships with certain managers, but in general if they're coming they're coming for the money and to play for NUFC, not because our manager is Alan Pardew or anyone else we could attract.

 

The point I was making is who wants to come to a team not knowing who the manager is going to be? Think it would be wise to hold onto him until the end of the window and then release the hounds!

 

Players do that all the time now man. Southampton signed some bloke about five minutes after Adkins left.

[TRon]

The fans chanted his name for most of the game. He has had far too much time and leniance from the crowd at NUFC, the reaction today should have happened months ago.

 

I do find it bizarre like, how much leeway he's getting. Can't understand it at all. I've typically been one of the first to start the Souness/Roeder Out bandwagon so I'm used to having to wait until the majority come to their senses but I've seen people who know their football on Facebook tonight saying they're "Team Pardew"

 

I just cannot get my head round it. This form is far worse than anything we've come close to before.

 

A combination of Ashley induced apathy and years of everything that goes wrong at NUFC being attributed to our 'unreal expectations' by media fuckwits.  As I said in the success thread, over the last five years we have been conditioned to accept any old shit. Become scared shitless of venting any dissatisfaction in case we get accused of owning a bed sheet.

 

Be it local journalists, fanzines or supporters in L7 - public criticism of the current regime has been silenced through a combination of carrot and stick. It's taken today's low point to wake some of them from their trance. The rest will no doubt carry on putting self interest ahead of the club's best interests.

 

It matters little if AP stays or goes, he's a symptom not the cause.

 

 

Sorry but I disagree. Ashley's a tight arse but it's not our recruitment policy which has led to this shambles. Granted we lack ambition but we have a squad which should be more than capable of being in the top half of the table any month of the year. There is no hiding from that, and deflecting the blame does us no good whatsoever.

[wormy]

The fans chanted his name for most of the game. He has had far too much time and leniance from the crowd at NUFC, the reaction today should have happened months ago.

 

I do find it bizarre like, how much leeway he's getting. Can't understand it at all. I've typically been one of the first to start the Souness/Roeder Out bandwagon so I'm used to having to wait until the majority come to their senses but I've seen people who know their football on Facebook tonight saying they're "Team Pardew"

 

I just cannot get my head round it. This form is far worse than anything we've come close to before.

 

A combination of Ashley induced apathy and years of everything that goes wrong at NUFC being attributed to our 'unreal expectations' by media fuckwits.  As I said in the success thread, over the last five years we have been conditioned to accept any old shit. Become scared shitless of venting any dissatisfaction in case we get accused of owning a bed sheet.

 

Be it local journalists, fanzines or supporters in L7 - public criticism of the current regime has been silenced through a combination of carrot and stick. It's taken today's low point to wake some of them from their trance. The rest will no doubt carry on putting self interest ahead of the club's best interests.

 

It matters little if AP stays or goes, he's a symptom not the cause.

 

 

Sorry but I disagree. Ashley's a tight arse but it's not our recruitment policy which has led to this shambles. Granted we lack ambition but we have a squad which should be more than capable of being in the top half of the table any month of the year. There is no hiding from that, and deflecting the blame does us no good whatsoever.

 

We managed to finish 5th last season ffs. What happened the last time we failed to build on such a promising position (Shepherd & Sir Bobby)? We finished 5th the season after 3rd.

 

Anyone claiming that this is because of Ashley's management of the club is just trying to use it as yet another stick to beat him with imo, like there aren't enough already.

 

Pardew needs to take the slack for this. A fair manager could have this squad top ten at least, whilst dealing with the 'unprecedented' injury troubles. We've not had injury troubles to the extent that it's turned a team of internationals that finished 5th last season into relegation fodder.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Nah, bollocks.  I'm just catching up with the thread properly and have noticed numerous people leaping to Ian's defence as per the usual.

 

It doesn't matter whether Ian's admitted that Pardew was in the wrong and the fans had a point.  The fact that Pardew had the nerve to say that in his interview is absolutely fucking outrageous.  He was responsible for the negative atmosphere when he had us playing scrappy nothing-ball after the first goal, brought Marveaux off after an hour and quite rightly the crowd had had it up to their back teeth by the time Cabaye was subbed. 

 

It doesn't matter if Ian acknowledged that, he's said "I think that's a fair comment" FFS. The manager is absolutely taking the piss by saying that in an interview, and you'd think he'd want to avoid the subject since it was his total ineptitude that got us to that low point.  Instead he used it as another excuse, even though it was of his own doing.

 

This is very fair comment, whether Pardew was wise to say what he did wasn't what I was talking about. I agree, it was unwise to even talk about the fans.

 

But let's get it in context, it was a throw-away comment in answer to a direct question about fans booing the Cabaye sub. It wasn't an attempt to blame the fans for us losing the game.

 

Not that this post will make any difference to anyone, carry on.

[jimmymag]

Pardew shouldn't have criticised the crowds' reaction.

 

It's yet another strategic mistake by Pardew, and it'll come back to bite him because he's unleashed the anger of the crowd which will add to the pressure on all his future touchline decisions.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I know you should be careful what you wish for, but I've never been more desperate for an NUFC manager to get the sack. None of them have ever got to this point either.

[matta]

Pardew is now at the point where he has to win me over again.

 

Oh, and panic buys now looks like a sensible option. Quality please. And lots of it.

[huss9]

sack him during the window and its going to be harder to sign players - managerless club in a relegation fight.

[Guest malandro]

The fans chanted his name for most of the game. He has had far too much time and leniance from the crowd at NUFC, the reaction today should have happened months ago.

 

I do find it bizarre like, how much leeway he's getting. Can't understand it at all. I've typically been one of the first to start the Souness/Roeder Out bandwagon so I'm used to having to wait until the majority come to their senses but I've seen people who know their football on Facebook tonight saying they're "Team Pardew"

 

I just cannot get my head round it. This form is far worse than anything we've come close to before.

 

A combination of Ashley induced apathy and years of everything that goes wrong at NUFC being attributed to our 'unreal expectations' by media fuckwits.  As I said in the success thread, over the last five years we have been conditioned to accept any old s***. Become scared shitless of venting any dissatisfaction in case we get accused of owning a bed sheet.

 

Be it local journalists, fanzines or supporters in L7 - public criticism of the current regime has been silenced through a combination of carrot and stick. It's taken today's low point to wake some of them from their trance. The rest will no doubt carry on putting self interest ahead of the club's best interests.

 

It matters little if AP stays or goes, he's a symptom not the cause.

 

 

Sorry but I disagree. Ashley's a tight arse but it's not our recruitment policy which has led to this shambles. Granted we lack ambition but we have a squad which should be more than capable of being in the top half of the table any month of the year. There is no hiding from that, and deflecting the blame does us no good whatsoever.

 

We managed to finish 5th last season ffs. What happened the last time we failed to build on such a promising position (Shepherd & Sir Bobby)? We finished 5th the season after 3rd.

 

Anyone claiming that this is because of Ashley's management of the club is just trying to use it as yet another stick to beat him with imo, like there aren't enough already.

 

Pardew needs to take the slack for this. A fair manager could have this squad top ten at least, whilst dealing with the 'unprecedented' injury troubles. We've not had injury troubles to the extent that it's turned a team of internationals that finished 5th last season into relegation fodder.

And who appointed Pardew, and perhaps more importantly to this debate why?