Alan Pardew

[Spudil]

I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time.

 

Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers.

 

I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game.

 

Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle.

 

I think statements like this are utterly pointless.

 

 

 

Well, that's my dose of unnecessary hostility sorted

 

It comes to us all.

 

It might have been supreme irony to be fair.

 

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

[Disco]

really?

[AlanSkÃrare]

Anyway, hopefully the silver-haired c*** will sort it out soon. Looking forward to liking him again.

 

[Dr Venkman]

for gods sake, as if what Ian said was even remotely offensive 

[Guest neesy111]

I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time.

 

Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers.

 

I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game.

 

Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle.

 

I think statements like this are utterly pointless.

 

 

 

Well, that's my dose of unnecessary hostility sorted

 

It comes to us all.

 

It might have been supreme irony to be fair.

 

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time.

 

Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers.

 

I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game.

 

Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle.

 

I think statements like this are utterly pointless.

 

 

 

Well, that's my dose of unnecessary hostility sorted

 

It comes to us all.

 

It might have been supreme irony to be fair.

 

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

get in

[Spudil]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ldepgw.jpg

 

 

  at some people still thinking I'm serious AFTER the picture

 

[Yorkie]

I'm still astounded at the sheer vision and bravura of Swansea to just go and get Laudrup. Amazing.

 

Yup. See the sad thing is the majority of owners really aren't all that different from the majority of fans in how narrow minded they can be as far as hiring a manager goes.

 

The first reaction when you suggest a change in manager on here is usually, the typical 'who can we get that's better?', which always baffles me. It always seemingly has to be someone everyone has heard about that is a proven success already.

 

I gurantee if people had suggetsed Laudrup, had he not already gone to Swansea, he would likely have been rubbished by most, as having not proven anything anywhere.

 

The priority though should really be to look at the manager's approach and philosophy, and the potential to marry this up with the clubs current assets etc.

 

Although I can't necessarily name them all, I have no doubt there's at least a handful of managers that can come in and make far better use of the players we have, and implement a style of football that is bettersuited to them, than Pardew ever could.

 

It's been quite unacceptable from Pardew really.

 

 

 

and another good post.

 

As if Ashley would have the nouse and ambition to go for a cultured, un-proven and exciting young manager.

 

I'm concerned about the idea of sacking Pardew because we'll replace him with some no-mark freebie from Britain. Just like every single one of Ashley's managerial appointments (including Keegan, who'd been out of the game for yonks).

[Robster]

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

[oldtype]

Should we arrange a Skype call or something?

[Varadi]

I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time.

 

Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers.

 

I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game.

 

Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle.

 

I think statements like this are utterly pointless.

 

 

 

Well, that's my dose of unnecessary hostility sorted

 

It comes to us all.

 

It might have been supreme irony to be fair.

 

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

 

Supreme irony it is then.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time.

 

Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers.

 

I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game.

 

Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle.

 

I think statements like this are utterly pointless.

 

 

 

Well, that's my dose of unnecessary hostility sorted

 

It comes to us all.

 

It might have been supreme irony to be fair.

 

Say that to my face and not on-line and see what happens.

 

Supreme irony it is then.

 

Hopefully, genius if so!

[Darth Crooks]

It's going to have to be some pendulum swing paradigm shift if he's going to change his frankly idiotic ways for the better. I'd love to say I'll give him to end of the season but I haven't been this wound up about the club in a while. At least when we were relegated we were on a pretty predictable trajectory in the years before.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's going to have to be some pendulum swing paradigm shift if he's going to change his frankly idiotic ways for the better. I'd love to say I'll give him to end of the season but I haven't been this wound up about the club in a while. At least when we were relegated we were on a pretty predictable trajectory in the years before.

 

How is that in any way better?

[BottledDog]

It's going to have to be some pendulum swing paradigm shift if he's going to change his frankly idiotic ways for the better. I'd love to say I'll give him to end of the season but I haven't been this wound up about the club in a while. At least when we were relegated we were on a pretty predictable trajectory in the years before.

 

How is that in any way better?

 

Fuck knows, the ludicrous appointments post Bobby sent us on an almost consistently downward spiral that was the most predictable and depressing period I've known.

 

Much prefer the surprise cock slap to the face of this season. Still plenty of hope for the team.

[Guest bimpy474]

Just out of interest - how many clubs have a particular style of play/philosophy?  I agree that Pardew's lack of work on attacking play and tactical awareness is being shown up at the moment, but I do feel that the whole philosophy is a bit woolly and possibly being overplayed.

 

I fully expect to be torn apart for this by the way.

 

A 'particular style of play' to me refers more how easily and well players of lesser ability can slot into the team and do more than simply make up the numbers. Lots of teams can do this effectively, by which I mean they don't instantly turn to the turgid 'kick the ball as far as possible from our goal', ultra-negative play we've seen so regularly this season and even parts of last. Pardew's philosophy to date seems to be that if all of our best players aren't available then we simply can't do the same things, and I don't buy that. Some have excused it by saying we can't play good football with Williamson and Simpson in the side, but we managed it perfectly well during those six wins in a row last season in which they both played every minute. Sorry, Simpson was taken off with 8mins left against Stoke at 3-0.

 

As I've said however, the ludicrous 11 purples thing doesn't help him at all.

 

Spot on this.

[Jack Flash]

I'd rather get relegated after finishing 7 points ahead of 17th than finishing about 30 points off it. What they're doing now is far, far more incompetent.

[Mick]

Yeah, the set piece thing baffles and infuriates me - it's as though they simply don't work on it

 

But as far as the style of play goes, I disagree that we haven't moved roughly in the right direction (in terms of intent if not results) since the start of last season. There was a clear effort to be more expansive towards the end of the season, and there has been a clear effort to do the same in the last few games. I really don't think at any point Pardew decided to ditch that intention and i'm 95% confident we'll see him stick to it, by and large, over the next season or so.

 

What happened between the end of last season and the last few games?  Pardew should have been signing on this morning after going into the ground to pick up his personal effects.

[Darth Crooks]

It's going to have to be some pendulum swing paradigm shift if he's going to change his frankly idiotic ways for the better. I'd love to say I'll give him to end of the season but I haven't been this wound up about the club in a while. At least when we were relegated we were on a pretty predictable trajectory in the years before.

 

How is that in any way better?

 

made things simple in the sense that we had shit, heartless players who were past it and the writing was on the wall and had been for some time. Contrast that to the current setup where we have a decent crop of professional and talented players but as a club have knackered a clear opportunity to push on. I didnt expect top five again but we had a real plarform for success and it makes it more frustrating than the relegatiom season imo.

 

made things simple the sense that i knew we were shit with older and past it mercenary players

[AlanSkÃrare]

It's going to have to be some pendulum swing paradigm shift if he's going to change his frankly idiotic ways for the better. I'd love to say I'll give him to end of the season but I haven't been this wound up about the club in a while. At least when we were relegated we were on a pretty predictable trajectory in the years before.

 

How is that in any way better?

 

made things simple in the sense that we had s***, heartless players who were past it and the writing was on the wall and had been for some time. Contrast that to the current setup where we have a decent crop of professional and talented players but as a club have knackered a clear opportunity to push on. I didnt expect top five again but we had a real plarform for success and it makes it more frustrating than the relegatiom season imo.

 

made things simple the sense that i knew we were s*** with older and past it mercenary players

 

Basically this.

 

Watching these players lose 10 out of 12 games is causing even more frustration. I expected Smith, Owen and fucking Damien Duff to relegate us at some point. They had never done well for us.

 

But this team? They've shown that they can beat any side when used correctly and given the right to play.

 

The main reason for our drop in form was our unbelievably shit football during the first half of this season. The defeats were always coming, can't believe how lucky we were against Everton, WBA and Reading. Should have lost all three tbh. Thank god we didn't. Anyway, that's where it comes down to the manager. He had the same set of players + Anita. Yet made the decision to play the most negative tactics in the league, presumably to feed the best player in the squad. A system that didn't work for the team.

 

Now is his chance to put things right. Like Dave said the other day, I look forward to liking Pardew again. For all his rights last season, and the season before that, this period has taken away all of my appreciation for him. His behaved cowardly and looked as if he was exposed to one of those lightning-things from Men in Black during the summer.

[loki679]

The 4-3-3 thing is pissing me off.  We stumbled upon a really good formula last season in Ba -- Cisse -- HBA and yet I can't remember us trying it once this season.  When he has gone with that formation it's been some fucked up version with HBA on the left or Cisse wide right.

 

 

[ExiledGeordie]

Questions posed on true faith weekly blog re Pardew and the coaching staff. Most raised on here and all spot on:

 

Why are we so desperate with corners and set plays?

 

Why haven’t we won a single away game this season?

 

Why are we unable to come back from going a goal behind?

 

Why have we abandoned the passing football of last season to become the PL’s Route One, hoof ball merchants? This isn’t Newcastle United. We play on the floor.

 

Why are so many players regressing at once?

 

Case for the prosecution: Chieck Tiote. He looks a shadow of the player we had last season and a pale imitation of the player who dominated the Man Utd midfield 12 months ago. Why is his discipline getting worse instead of better? Why is he constantly caught in possession and why is his passing so reckless? Is this a player we seriously think has a player with a value of£20m? Currently he looks like a bad Lee Cattermole.

 

Why has Jonas Guttierez just looked lost in so many games?

 

Why has Cisse been played wide right when the formation of the team last season was so potent with Papiss through the middle?

 

How is Nile Ranger anywhere near the first team given the disgrace he has brought to the club and the fact his talent simply just does not merit such indulgence?

[Decky]

The 4-3-3 thing is pissing me off.  We stumbled upon a really good formula last season in Ba -- Cisse -- HBA and yet I can't remember us trying it once this season.  When he has gone with that formation it's been some fucked up version with HBA on the left or Cisse wide right.

 

 

 

Pretty annoying to think about how good that was, especially now that Ba is gone. I almost forget HBA plays for us too, it seems like he has been out for ages.

[merlin]

Questions posed on true faith weekly blog re Pardew and the coaching staff. Most raised on here and all spot on:

 

Why are we so desperate with corners and set plays?

 

Why haven’t we won a single away game this season?

 

Why are we unable to come back from going a goal behind?

 

Why have we abandoned the passing football of last season to become the PL’s Route One, hoof ball merchants? This isn’t Newcastle United. We play on the floor.

 

Why are so many players regressing at once?

 

Case for the prosecution: Chieck Tiote. He looks a shadow of the player we had last season and a pale imitation of the player who dominated the Man Utd midfield 12 months ago. Why is his discipline getting worse instead of better? Why is he constantly caught in possession and why is his passing so reckless? Is this a player we seriously think has a player with a value of£20m? Currently he looks like a bad Lee Cattermole.

 

Why has Jonas Guttierez just looked lost in so many games?

 

Why has Cisse been played wide right when the formation of the team last season was so potent with Papiss through the middle?

 

How is Nile Ranger anywhere near the first team given the disgrace he has brought to the club and the fact his talent simply just does not merit such indulgence?

 

Excellent post.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

A lot of them are just general complaints though really, they don't have answers that would satisfy anyone. Why are we so shite at set pieces Alan? Because we never practice them and I'm a fool mate. Cheers Al.