Guest bimpy474 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Pardew is fucking mental to pick Saylor ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Not surprised in the slightest that Taylor's started ahead of Yanga-Mbiwa. Pardew blatantly wants to be in Taylor's "good" books and is only starting him to keep him happy. Pardew's a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fourth choice centre back. Second choice right-back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If he left tomorrow i wouldn't blame him at all. Disgraceful treatment, 2nd time he's been dropped unfairly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Very strange to have Taylor in front of him. Williamson I can understand as he is in the form of his life, but Taylor? WTF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Debuchy's better. It's not unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Debuchy's better. It's not unfair. He's better than both CBs playing tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Unfair on MYM FFS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 FUCK SAKE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Williamson is in the form of his life so it would be ridiculous to drop him, MYM should definitely be ahead of Taylor though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Taylor does not deserve to replace MYM. Bad decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Clean sheets vs Spuds and Chelski with MYM & Willo at CB and now he can't get a game at CB. Fkn foaming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Debuchy's better. It's not unfair. Huh? Dont think anyone is debating who should be playing RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjen Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fucking disgrace him behind Taylor. I actually didn't think there was a chance of this. Thanks, buddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mapou-v-taylor-contest/ Mapou v Taylor Should Be No Contest Let’s talk football, rather than balance sheets. I’ve been following Newcastle for forty years and we’ve been pretty awful for most of that period, apart from a brief spell under Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby Robson. Coincidentally, the times when we’ve looked a really good side is when we’ve had a manager who was talented, strong and had a vision over how we should play. Keegan, bless him, wasn’t suited to building a club beyond the first team, whilst Sir Bobby had the misfortune of being sacked in favour of the Graeme Souness – who was himself close to being sacked by Blackburn at the time. The manager is the most important man at a club because he picks the team. Even if he doesn’t get to pick the players (thankfully the case at Newcastle, otherwise we’d have Bent, Tomkins & Downing here) , he can destroy the confidence of those we have. This brings me neatly onto the case of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. Admittedly, this lad had an absolute shocker in the first half against Everton but that doesn’t mean he is a poor player. He is 24 and will probably be our captain in the future if Pardew doesn’t destroy him in the meantime. This is a boy who captained Montpelier to the French League title a couple of years ago – that kind of responsibility isn’t given lightly to a young player and is probably one of the reasons that we bought him. In the absence of Coloccini, Yanga-Mbiwa came back into the side against Liverpool, having been dropped in favour of Williamson previously. Against Suarez & Sturridge, arguably the best pair of strikers in the league, he was having a good game before getting sent off when conceding a penalty. It happens – there isn’t a defender out there who doesn’t occasionally receive a red card in similar circumstances. He wasn’t available against the Mackems but again came back to have a strong game against Man City in the League Cup, our team only conceding in extra time. We then beat Chelsea 2-0 and Tottenham 1-0 (note the strength of the opposition) with him in the side before he was inexplicably dropped against Norwich (at home). The lad was then frozen out of the starting eleven until Debuchy received a 3 match ban for his brain freeze against West Brom and he was played out of position at right back, once again against Manchester City. Once Debuchy came back into the side, guess who was dropped between Williamson, Taylor and Yanga-Mbiwa when it came to choosing the centre halves? Yes, the most talented out of the three, who also happens to be the youngest and easiest to tell he isn’t playing. Williamson has done exceptionally well this season, but he doesn’t have half the ability that Yanga-Mbiwa does and he doesn’t represent the team’s future. As for Steven Taylor, what has he done to get picked in front of the youngster apart from having a stroppy agent (former ‘chief scout’ under Freddy Shepherd, Willie Mckay) who made his displeasure known when his client wasn’t playing. The point is that managers have to look beyond just the next couple of games and back those that have talent and will only get better. Williamson (who I admire for his resilience) and Taylor should be behind Yanga-Mbiwa in the pecking order, not in front. If all three were to be sold tomorrow, Yanga-Mbiwa would command by far the highest fee – he’s the main asset. Last year, Pardew inexplicably chose Perch over Anita and it is only because the latter has such a fantastic attitude that there wasn’t a huge bust-up as a result. Perch is now playing at the right level in the Championship after a £400k move – what does that tell you about Pardew’s judgement? When he was West Ham manager, he didn’t think Tevez and Mascherano were good enough to get into an otherwise awful side! Today, he consistently brings on Shola ahead of Cisse – only one of them is worth £10m in the market whilst the other won’t play for another Premiership side. Thankfully, Pardew has no say whatsoever over transfer targets but the man is still capable of demoralising the talent that Graham Carr identifies and manages to get in through the gates. This is a real issue and will cost us talented players like Yanga Mbiwa (and HBA, before Cabaye’s sale) if they become disillusioned with life at the club. Some can argue that Williamson should be in the side ahead of everyone else based on performances alone (although personally, I’d still play Yanga-Mbiwa, based on talent) but Taylor? You have to be joking. Frankly, Pardew is fortunate that Yanga-Mbiwa is such a respectful player – anyone else might have decked his manager on being told he was back on the bench against Norwich in favour of the limited chest thumper, Steven Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mapou-v-taylor-contest/ Mapou v Taylor Should Be No Contest Let’s talk football, rather than balance sheets. I’ve been following Newcastle for forty years and we’ve been pretty awful for most of that period, apart from a brief spell under Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby Robson. Coincidentally, the times when we’ve looked a really good side is when we’ve had a manager who was talented, strong and had a vision over how we should play. Keegan, bless him, wasn’t suited to building a club beyond the first team, whilst Sir Bobby had the misfortune of being sacked in favour of the Graeme Souness – who was himself close to being sacked by Blackburn at the time. The manager is the most important man at a club because he picks the team. Even if he doesn’t get to pick the players (thankfully the case at Newcastle, otherwise we’d have Bent, Tomkins & Downing here) , he can destroy the confidence of those we have. This brings me neatly onto the case of Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. Admittedly, this lad had an absolute shocker in the first half against Everton but that doesn’t mean he is a poor player. He is 24 and will probably be our captain in the future if Pardew doesn’t destroy him in the meantime. This is a boy who captained Montpelier to the French League title a couple of years ago – that kind of responsibility isn’t given lightly to a young player and is probably one of the reasons that we bought him. In the absence of Coloccini, Yanga-Mbiwa came back into the side against Liverpool, having been dropped in favour of Williamson previously. Against Suarez & Sturridge, arguably the best pair of strikers in the league, he was having a good game before getting sent off when conceding a penalty. It happens – there isn’t a defender out there who doesn’t occasionally receive a red card in similar circumstances. He wasn’t available against the Mackems but again came back to have a strong game against Man City in the League Cup, our team only conceding in extra time. We then beat Chelsea 2-0 and Tottenham 1-0 (note the strength of the opposition) with him in the side before he was inexplicably dropped against Norwich (at home). The lad was then frozen out of the starting eleven until Debuchy received a 3 match ban for his brain freeze against West Brom and he was played out of position at right back, once again against Manchester City. Once Debuchy came back into the side, guess who was dropped between Williamson, Taylor and Yanga-Mbiwa when it came to choosing the centre halves? Yes, the most talented out of the three, who also happens to be the youngest and easiest to tell he isn’t playing. Williamson has done exceptionally well this season, but he doesn’t have half the ability that Yanga-Mbiwa does and he doesn’t represent the team’s future. As for Steven Taylor, what has he done to get picked in front of the youngster apart from having a stroppy agent (former ‘chief scout’ under Freddy Shepherd, Willie Mckay) who made his displeasure known when his client wasn’t playing. The point is that managers have to look beyond just the next couple of games and back those that have talent and will only get better. Williamson (who I admire for his resilience) and Taylor should be behind Yanga-Mbiwa in the pecking order, not in front. If all three were to be sold tomorrow, Yanga-Mbiwa would command by far the highest fee – he’s the main asset. Last year, Pardew inexplicably chose Perch over Anita and it is only because the latter has such a fantastic attitude that there wasn’t a huge bust-up as a result. Perch is now playing at the right level in the Championship after a £400k move – what does that tell you about Pardew’s judgement? When he was West Ham manager, he didn’t think Tevez and Mascherano were good enough to get into an otherwise awful side! Today, he consistently brings on Shola ahead of Cisse – only one of them is worth £10m in the market whilst the other won’t play for another Premiership side. Thankfully, Pardew has no say whatsoever over transfer targets but the man is still capable of demoralising the talent that Graham Carr identifies and manages to get in through the gates. This is a real issue and will cost us talented players like Yanga Mbiwa (and HBA, before Cabaye’s sale) if they become disillusioned with life at the club. Some can argue that Williamson should be in the side ahead of everyone else based on performances alone (although personally, I’d still play Yanga-Mbiwa, based on talent) but Taylor? You have to be joking. Frankly, Pardew is fortunate that Yanga-Mbiwa is such a respectful player – anyone else might have decked his manager on being told he was back on the bench against Norwich in favour of the limited chest thumper, Steven Taylor. Hard to disagree with anything in there to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Totally agree to be honest, quite surprised that Pardew has preferred Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 The fact they used the Liverpool game, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Wouldn't be a rounded argument if they ignored the Liverpool game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Rather have Mapou up front than Shola on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Has to be back v Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 He won't feature whilst Stevie's available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 He won't feature whilst Stevie's available. I never want to see him play another game for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I am sure he will want to move on in the Summer if he cannot get a game in front of Taylor ....unreal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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