WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Pardew hasn't improved one player, man. Everyone he's worked with that's been decent for us already had a bit of ability anyway. Cabaye was starting to get noticed in France and we already knew Ba had an eye for goal. Ryan Taylor? Leon Best? Mike Williamson? James Perch? Worth noting that Danny Guthrie has sank without trace since leaving Pardew's influence. In fact there is only really Routledge who stands out as having gone on to better things since leaving Pardew's Newcastle. That is some testimony to his ability to get the best from players, considering he is approaching 4 years at the club. Little wonder that so many players who have worked with Pardew speak so highly of him. Hardly quality players are they? He's good at making average grafters into slightly better average grafters. He hasn't improved anyone in our squad who has technical ability. Saved me from saying what I was going to say. Williamson's never been more than a squad player and Best was always 'capable' at most. The same goes for Ryan Taylor. He couldn't turn Perch into a decent right back so just started sticking him wherever he saw fit and hoped it worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Williamson is about the only one you could argue. He's still dump. Ryan Taylor is only good when the ball is dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Pardew hasn't improved one player, man. Everyone he's worked with that's been decent for us already had a bit of ability anyway. Cabaye was starting to get noticed in France and we already knew Ba had an eye for goal. Ryan Taylor? Leon Best? Mike Williamson? James Perch? Worth noting that Danny Guthrie has sank without trace since leaving Pardew's influence. In fact there is only really Routledge who stands out as having gone on to better things since leaving Pardew's Newcastle. That is some testimony to his ability to get the best from players, considering he is approaching 4 years at the club. Little wonder that so many players who have worked with Pardew speak so highly of him. wum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 For those who are seriously arguing that Pardew has the ability to improve our players I'd like you to name one player and be specific in what aspect of their game he has improved them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 In terms of purely improving players I think it's important to look at how the lads coming up through the youth team have progressed. The answer under Pardew is, er, basically not at all To me this would suggest Pardew and his coaching staff do not do a very good job of improving players in general and he seems to want players to 'do a job' rather than actually develop. Shocking really. I agree basically, but on the other hand our youth development has been non-existent for almost all the time I have followed NUFC. true, its pathetic. A disgrace actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 For those who are seriously arguing that Pardew has the ability to improve our players I'd like you to name one player and be specific in what aspect of their game he has improved them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Ben Arfa "It’s the best relationship I’ve had with a manager and he has been very important to me at Newcastle. He is the coach who has understood me the most. Coloccini He knows a lot about me, about football and life. “We met a lot of times. He said to me, ‘Listen, I am a person and you have to think like I’m your father’. “He gave me advice and said, ‘I can speak to you like a manager and a father’. Cisse, in particular, is grateful for the backing of Pardew, who was serving the second game of a three-match stadium ban when his former club visited St James’s Park. “It’s very, very important I work hard on the training ground. “He (Pardew) says all the time ‘Papiss, keep going, keep going’. “He’s said ‘this year is hard, but your chances are coming’.” Cabaye: "The manager is actually quite like the one I had at Lille [Rudi Garcia], they are quite similar, like Garcia, what Alan Pardew wants is for us to keep the ball. He talked to me about changing Newcastle's style and we work a lot on possession. He's doing a great job." Barton: “Seen Pardew incident. As per usual. Massively over-hyped…” “Don’t let a couple of stupid incidents detract from the job he has done at Newcastle. Especially with what goes on behind the scenes there.” “Got a lot of time for Pardew. Regardless of what people think, he is a top manager. One of the best I’ve worked with.” When he gets so much respect from the bigger names at the club, and when the lesser players improve so much, it's difficult not to pay attention and conclude he's a good man manager. I certainly can't recall much criticism from people he's worked with and no player goes elsewhere and does better. You would certainly go with the views of those who work with him day in day out, rather than a handful people who only see an hour and a half a week. I can even recall him getting slaughtered on here when he criticized Nile Ranger for being late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Uh oh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 For those who are seriously arguing that Pardew has the ability to improve our players I'd like you to name one player and be specific in what aspect of their game he has improved them. again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Imagine being that much of a danger to society and showing it on a public forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 What do you think his best qualities are ATG? What have you seen with your own eyes thats impressed you the most? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 http://www.quickmeme.com/img/af/affe4e8a6dce3066319ec92136183c5717206ae2eb9b76a1f34ea07eb4cc6733.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Imagine being that much of a danger to society and showing it on a public forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 alexthegreat has always liked Pardew mind. Pardew has shown he is more than a match for the very best managers tactically - good to see him getting the recognition he deserves in national newspapers. Lost 11 of 17 after this classic, with -18 goal difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 One of the worst posts ever made on here. Impressive. Does anyone need to be reminded of the way he has completely outmanoevered Moyes, Hiddink, and Mourinho in the last few months? How many times has Poyet outwitted him these years? Poyet "completely outmaneuvered" Manuel Pellegrini the other week too, and Jose. So he can add that to his coveted Pardew scalp. Bloke must be a f***ing wizard. Nothing has changed. He still believes Pardew is a genius, tactically and motivationally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 In the past 4 or 5 years the list of governments and corporations that have admitted to employing an army of trolls to use social media sites and post their propaganda, guess it was only a matter of time until NUFC caught on to the idea with Ashley at the helm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ben Arfa "It’s the best relationship I’ve had with a manager and he has been very important to me at Newcastle. He is the coach who has understood me the most. Coloccini He knows a lot about me, about football and life. “We met a lot of times. He said to me, ‘Listen, I am a person and you have to think like I’m your father’. “He gave me advice and said, ‘I can speak to you like a manager and a father’. Cisse, in particular, is grateful for the backing of Pardew, who was serving the second game of a three-match stadium ban when his former club visited St James’s Park. “It’s very, very important I work hard on the training ground. “He (Pardew) says all the time ‘Papiss, keep going, keep going’. “He’s said ‘this year is hard, but your chances are coming’.” Cabaye: "The manager is actually quite like the one I had at Lille [Rudi Garcia], they are quite similar, like Garcia, what Alan Pardew wants is for us to keep the ball. He talked to me about changing Newcastle's style and we work a lot on possession. He's doing a great job." Barton: “Seen Pardew incident. As per usual. Massively over-hyped…” “Don’t let a couple of stupid incidents detract from the job he has done at Newcastle. Especially with what goes on behind the scenes there.” “Got a lot of time for Pardew. Regardless of what people think, he is a top manager. One of the best I’ve worked with.” When he gets so much respect from the bigger names at the club, and when the lesser players improve so much, it's difficult not to pay attention and conclude he's a good man manager. I certainly can't recall much criticism from people he's worked with and no player goes elsewhere and does better. You would certainly go with the views of those who work with him day in day out, rather than a handful people who only see an hour and a half a week. I can even recall him getting slaughtered on here when he criticized Nile Ranger for being late. So he's a nice man who makes players feel good about themselves .. by blowing smoke up their ass. Classic marketing material ... full of wind and pish. Clueless football coach and tactician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Seems he might have a future here? Played in all the friendlies so far - if Pardew dislikes him that much surely he would be giving others a chance to impress? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Imagine being that much of a danger to society and showing it on a public forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 He doesn't help his case sometimes. His defending for Schalke's goal was pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Totally unaware of what's around him. Needs to up his game as it's all too often. Mind you, we need a real leader at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Of course we do. Mapou first and foremost needs a leader to hold his little hand and Williamson, the only one we have at the back, is a poor player by anyone's definition. His legs are fairly quick but his brain is anything but. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Put a black mark on a very good 45 minutes by switching off at literally the very last second. It's a forgivable error in the wider scheme of things, but it's the sort of incident that will give Pardew the opportunity to reintroduce Stevie Fistpumps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Williamson and Colo will start as first choice, we all know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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