Jack Flash Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It wasn't until I just looked at this thread that I remembered you haven't got a manager, it seems like ages since Pardew went (although it obviously isn't). I do wonder, though, when things go this quiet on a manager front if you're not actually being softened up for something really underwhelming happening. It's one month today since the club knew he was off and they remain sluggish at best while Rome burns at an increasing rate. My standards aren't generally that high but the longer they take the better the manager needs to be tbh. You can't take over a month (probably 5-6 months realistically) all the while talking a good game then deliver Gordon Strachan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 15m euros sounds mental given that he's free in the summer(?) I thought you could just pay out the rest of the contract, which would obviously much less than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zicomartin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 in theory, you would think that the 6 months of wages (still unpaid) till Jan 2015 less the six months of wages due (for the remainder of the contract after Jan) would cancel out... obviously not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thomas Tuchel speaking in English (17mins & 39mins) on his philosophy of football and other stuff. Its over a year old, but interesting nonetheless. https://player.fm/series/5-live-sport-specials/5lspecials-what-germany-did-next-10-oct-13 Nothing like Alan f***ing Pardew, obviously. I actually went looking for the release fee from Mainz when I posted this, but couldnt find it. I guess Mark Douglas saw this link and tracked down Raphael Honigstein (also interviewed in the above article). http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/thomas-tuchel-outsider-revolutionary-who-8510749 Subsequently, he came up with the €15m I was looking for and probably also put his two quid on at the bookies while he was at it. Cheers Mark! is there anything at all to back up the 15m euros thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Loudrop is up in the betting odds. Second fav now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zicomartin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I doubt Mark Douglas made that figure up, it's too ridiculous. Can believe it though, as nobody has coughed up, yet. Even Jurgen Klopp would be cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It wasn't until I just looked at this thread that I remembered you haven't got a manager, it seems like ages since Pardew went (although it obviously isn't). I do wonder, though, when things go this quiet on a manager front if you're not actually being softened up for something really underwhelming happening. I think most of us are well prepared for that, Brummie - you would have to be an excessive optimist, even by NUFC standards, to expect anything else from the people running Newcastle United, especially at this stage of Ashley's ownership. He has said himself that he may sell in 2016 so he isn't going to break the piggy bank to get a decent manager now. I have followed the club for 50 years and I cannot recall so much mutual detestation between any of the previous regimes and the fans as there is currently. Ashley clearly treats the fans with contempt, views them that way and his feelings are returned with much higher interest than you can get even at a Bank in a Third World hell-hole. This is NOT a recipe for even a modicum of success and more likely to result in relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 If they're holding out because they want Tuchel in the summer, I'd be okay with that. I honestly don't believe we'll be relegated, even with Carver. But they need to be clear about what they're trying to do. This pussyfooting around inspires no confidence. And it'd be completely unacceptable for them to put the cart before the horse, i.e. lock Carver in until the end of the season with the hope, not the guarantee, of signing Tuchel, only to be left with their dicks-in-hand when he signs somewhere else. Which is something this club would absolutely do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It wasn't until I just looked at this thread that I remembered you haven't got a manager, it seems like ages since Pardew went (although it obviously isn't). I do wonder, though, when things go this quiet on a manager front if you're not actually being softened up for something really underwhelming happening. It's one month today since the club knew he was off and they remain sluggish at best while Rome burns at an increasing rate. My standards aren't generally that high but the longer they take the better the manager needs to be tbh. You can't take over a month (probably 5-6 months realistically) all the while talking a good game then deliver Gordon Strachan. IF, in the unlikely event of the club trying to get a really decent manager, they are prepared to wait until the close season for him to arrive, surely it would be a far better bet to bring in someone experienced until the end of the season on a short contract ? Even Venables would be a safer pair of hands on the tiller than Carver and he does have genuine coaching ability. Of course, anyone as reluctant to spend money on the club as Ashley is would rather risk relegation than do that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 This is my new hope. If we want to wait for someone until the summer and are happy with Carver, what's the hold up. Touch wood. Please don't appoint him tmrw. Hoping the hold up is that they are working on getting an interim and ironing out the contract etc. I was also convinced we would appoint Garde last week in time for the two week break though. Surely we have to hear one way or another no tomorrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It wasn't until I just looked at this thread that I remembered you haven't got a manager, it seems like ages since Pardew went (although it obviously isn't). I do wonder, though, when things go this quiet on a manager front if you're not actually being softened up for something really underwhelming happening. I think most of us are well prepared for that, Brummie - you would have to be an excessive optimist, even by NUFC standards, to expect anything else from the people running Newcastle United, especially at this stage of Ashley's ownership. He has said himself that he may sell in 2016 so he isn't going to break the piggy bank to get a decent manager now. I have followed the club for 50 years and I cannot recall so much mutual detestation between any of the previous regimes and the fans as there is currently. Ashley clearly treats the fans with contempt, views them that way and his feelings are returned with much higher interest than you can get even at a Bank in a Third World hell-hole. This is NOT a recipe for even a modicum of success and more likely to result in relegation. "Ashley clearly treats the fans with contempt" I've sometimes thought about if he sells up, and a hypothetical scenario of having two consortiums submitting offers that peek his interest. 1. A consortium whose interests lie in the business of football, and results - and harnessing the club's potential. 2. A hedge fund type (or investor) who may look at the club's profit margins, and view Ashley's way of running a club as a blue-print for success - sit on the television rights money, reap the returns, do enough to ensure top flight survival and give nothing back in return (hope) His grudge against Whelan was taken far. This spiteful individual would take a small loss on the chin to deliver option 2 to a supporter base he hates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Loudrop is up in the betting odds. Second fav now. assuming this is real, interest in laudrup (mutual) maybe he's done a year in qatar and isn't too fucking impressed? can't think of another reason he'd be keen to come to us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Loudrop is up in the betting odds. Second fav now. assuming this is real, interest in laudrup (mutual) maybe he's done a year in qatar and isn't too f***ing impressed? can't think of another reason he'd be keen to come to us I was so in awe with him when he was with Swansea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The hull game is huge now, if we lose that then carver has no chance of the job and Ashley will need his up his calls to the yes men and unfortunately spend some cash on a new boss/yes man/money maker/shop manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The hull game is huge now, if we lose that then carver has no chance of the job and Ashley will need his up his calls to the yes men and unfortunately spend some cash on a new boss/yes man/money maker/shop manager Don't think the Hull game will make any difference at all tbh. It's clearly going to be Carver in until the end of the season, only time we might act is if it looks like we might actually go down with half a dozen or so games left then he'll throw a few quid at someone like Glenn Hoddle to try keep us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't think they're actively working on a replacement anymore. Following Charnley's interview they will just leave it until the summer, and they won't even bother announcing Carver's got it, until the end of the season or otherwise. We'll just happily go from game to game in limbo while we drop down the league table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 It wasn't until I just looked at this thread that I remembered you haven't got a manager, it seems like ages since Pardew went (although it obviously isn't). I do wonder, though, when things go this quiet on a manager front if you're not actually being softened up for something really underwhelming happening. I think most of us are well prepared for that, Brummie - you would have to be an excessive optimist, even by NUFC standards, to expect anything else from the people running Newcastle United, especially at this stage of Ashley's ownership. He has said himself that he may sell in 2016 so he isn't going to break the piggy bank to get a decent manager now. I have followed the club for 50 years and I cannot recall so much mutual detestation between any of the previous regimes and the fans as there is currently. Ashley clearly treats the fans with contempt, views them that way and his feelings are returned with much higher interest than you can get even at a Bank in a Third World hell-hole. This is NOT a recipe for even a modicum of success and more likely to result in relegation. "Ashley clearly treats the fans with contempt" I've sometimes thought about if he sells up, and a hypothetical scenario of having two consortiums submitting offers that peek his interest. 1. A consortium whose interests lie in the business of football, and results - and harnessing the club's potential. 2. A hedge fund type (or investor) who may look at the club's profit margins, and view Ashley's way of running a club as a blue-print for success - sit on the television rights money, reap the returns, do enough to ensure top flight survival and give nothing back in return (hope) His grudge against Whelan was taken far. This spiteful individual would take a small loss on the chin to deliver option 2 to a supporter base he hates. Exactly right - this would suit him down to the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm would take relegation in a shot if we got rid of Ashley and his merry band of Wonga fans that have turned St James into a horrible library. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I wouldn't get that far. Relegation is more likely to attract a chancer like that Barry Moat again. The stronger we are, the more attractive we are to worthy investors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You would hope that they do actually know the man they want to appoint and are not just dithering over a decision and that the only reason, they cannot appoint him now is because he is not currently available. If it is one of Garde or Tuchel, I don't see why they cannot announce it and say they will be starting in June but if the guy is presently employed, I understand why an announcement could not be made. However, I am concerned that they will just go through the process all over again in June on the basis of new options becoming available and then take a further few weeks to decide. Surely the new manager has to be ready to take over a soon as the season ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 De Boer and his backroom staff would demolish the icNewcastle lads like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 4m4 minutes ago #nufc fans vote in favour of De Boer http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/frank-de-boer-overwhelming-choice-8515048?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter … It's been over a month and we haven't got a new manager and this is the shit our local press are putting out. Utterly risible and pathetic we're being treat like total simpletons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Lee Ryder @lee_ryder 4m4 minutes ago #nufc fans vote in favour of De Boer http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/frank-de-boer-overwhelming-choice-8515048?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter … It's been over a month and we haven't got a new manager and this is the s*** our local press are putting out. Utterly risible and pathetic we're being treat like total simpletons. It's insane. They have absolutely shat it and are refusing to question the club in any way. Instead they are having kickabouts with the coaches (5-a-side presumably) and posting absolutely turgid "who wud u rather buy - lacazet or huddlestun" while the club advertise absolutely minging "school disco" nights. We're a fucking waste of space in this league, man. Let someone in who'll actually try and progress and we'll take our rightful place in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I am so close to no longer giving a fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 They're back in bed with the club again so the days of nonconformity are over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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