Relegation; Predict your Bottom 3

[quayside]

QPR, Reading and Southampton to go down.

 

The last two don't look obvious choices right now. I respect Martinez' ability to get Wigan to survive and Villa are very good going forward and only need to get someone like Dunne back to marginally improve their defence and they will pick up points. I'm not too sure about Norwich staying up as well, but I'll back Hughton for old times sake.

 

I'll stick with what I said in the post above. Southampton have started to look vulnerable and I still think Villa and Wigan can do enough to stay up.

[ChrisJbarnes]

Why is everyone so high on QPR all of a sudden? They've won once, against Southampton. Not exactly world beaters.

 

 

QPR will drop.

 

Their next 6 or so games are all against mid table sides and fellow relegation fighters. Win a few of them and they are more or less out of it. They are currently only 4 points adrift but Id say they have got as much of a chance as Reading and Villa due to their fixtures as well as the fact that they genuinely do have quite a good squad.

 

Oh, and our last game of the season?

 

Wigan away. I shall say no more. Mostly because I start to fill my pants just thinking about the possibilities there.

 

FWIW I know there is still a lot of ill feeling after our relegation day at Villa Park, but I reckon a similar thing could have happened elsewhere too and that many Villa fans didn't join in. I've always had a soft spot for Villa and I hope if anyone down there survives it's you lot.

 

I honestly dont know what to make of Villa. The only trouble I've ever seen at football games has been largely created by these lot (in my opinion). Did enjoy the banter in the Holte End last night though, singing "itchy scalp my lord" "shall we wash your hair for you" and "2 in 1 my lord" at Joe Hart as well as 2 blokes coming as astronauts

[ExiledGeordie]

 

If QPR beat the Mackems on saturday at home then the momentum will really start to build for them. There's still loads of big games between the sides at the bottom to come though, almost 12 pointers ffs, very tight still.

 

We need to bag 3 points on sunday to ease any remaining pressure.

 

 

[leffe186]

I certainly would not write Sunderland out of this yet.

 

MON / March. Not a happy combination.

 

If they screw up March, then they will be absolutely shitting themselves. Their next three games are Chelsea away, Newcastle away, Everton at home. You wouldn't be surprised at all if they lost all three, at which point they would face Villa away. Just imagine the atmosphere .

[Skeletor]

I certainly would not write Sunderland out of this yet.

 

MON / March. Not a happy combination.

 

If they screw up March, then they will be absolutely shitting themselves. Their next three games are Chelsea away, Newcastle away, Everton at home. You wouldn't be surprised at all if they lost all three, at which point they would face Villa away. Just imagine the atmosphere .

 

[Ketsbaia]

I certainly would not write Sunderland out of this yet.

 

MON / March. Not a happy combination.

 

If they screw up March, then they will be absolutely shitting themselves. Their next three games are Chelsea away, Newcastle away, Everton at home. You wouldn't be surprised at all if they lost all three, at which point they would face Villa away. Just imagine the atmosphere .

 

But Villa & Sunderland are meant to be best mates, marra.

[Guest JS]

I certainly would not write Sunderland out of this yet.

 

MON / March. Not a happy combination.

 

If they screw up March, then they will be absolutely shitting themselves. Their next three games are Chelsea away, Newcastle away, Everton at home. You wouldn't be surprised at all if they lost all three, at which point they would face Villa away. Just imagine the atmosphere .

 

But Villa & Sunderland are meant to be best mates, marra.

 

Where is that stupid cringeworthy mock up badge they made of AVFC and their own logo?

[Guest neesy111]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

 

Nothing that good could really happen to us.

[NG32]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

 

Nothing that good could really happen to us.

 

Happened before, Sudnerland and Boro down...And we blast our way into the Champions leage for the first time.

[HawK]

Reading/Southampton/Villa for me.

[Ryan_Taylor]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

 

Nothing that good could really happen to us.

 

Happened before, Sudnerland and Boro down...And we blast our way into the Champions leage for the first time.

 

Should have won the league that year

 

 

 

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

Relegation related: -

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21608124

 

Roberto Martinez's tips for staying up

 

7 March 2013 Last updated at 17:10

 

The stakes at the bottom of the Premier League have never been so high.

 

A new £3bn television deal starts for the 2013-14 campaign and the clubs clustered around the relegation zone are acutely aware of the financial rewards of staying in English football's top division.

 

QPR (20 points), Reading (23) and Aston Villa (24) occupy the bottom three places. Wigan are fourth from bottom, with goal difference separating them from Villa, while Southampton have 27 points.

 

Over the past three seasons Wigan manager Roberto Martinez has guided his team away from trouble and up to safety - and on two of those occasions his side have been bottom of the table with 10 games remaining.

 

Here the Spaniard gives BBC Sport an insight into how he has done it, and his first tip is to put down the calculator...

1. Don't torture yourself with the maths

 

"The moment you are trying to reach a specific points tally you are going to be clouding your aim. That would be very, very dangerous, because nobody can guarantee you what points tally will be needed. Throughout history 40 points has always been a healthy figure, but you can recall that there have been seasons in the past when it was not enough to stay up.

 

"Everyone in the bottom 10 is playing against each other, which means it is impossible to tell the points tally needed. The easiest way to approach it is with the mentality that you can get something out of every game and try to get as many points as you can."

2. Look back as much as forward

 

"Now is an important moment, one when you look back and get as much information as you can from what happened previously in the season.

 

"We need to draw on all the experiences that we have had so far. That is in every department, and from both the good performances and the defeats we have had.

 

"We try to use that by giving as much information as we can to the players. The more the players are prepared, the easier it becomes to handle the occasion and play the game. That makes a big difference."

3. Keep the faith and keep it simple

 

"It is about being consistent in the way that you are working throughout the season.

 

"Clearly there are some players who might need a different approach because of the amount of games they have played, but if you have been doing the same job for 28 matches the instructions and messages are going to be a little bit lighter and less complicated than early on in the season."

4. Take the media strain - but only if you need to

 

"If being near the bottom of the table was a new situation for us, I probably would look into trying to protect the players from the media and focus on trying to let them enjoy their football.

 

"In our case, every player in this squad has been through the experience time after time and it becomes a way of working. They know how to cope with that.

 

"I do understand that other football clubs might take into consideration taking the pressure off their players. At this stage of the season it is something different that brings players into the unknown and can affect their performances."

5. Accept that things won't go to plan and think on your feet

 

"Ideally you would try to rotate the team and share the demands but unfortunately football does not work like that. It brings you different situations that you need to handle.

 

"The reality is that you get injuries and moments of good and bad form and it is not easy. Sometimes the squad is not as big as you would hope and it is more a case of handling the day-to-day business and making sure the players are ready, whoever gets on the pitch.

 

"The reality is you need to find solutions on a daily basis to cope with the all the different realities and challenges."

 

Ten stats for the final 10 games

 

Of the 30 teams to have occupied the bottom three positions with 10 games to go over the last 10 seasons, 21 have gone on to be relegated.

Until Wigan's recent escapes, the last time the team in 20th place with 10 games to go survived was in 1996-97. Southampton climbed to 16th.

Wigan collected 22 points in the final 10 games of the 2011-12 season - the most managed by a team in the relegation zone.

The most places gained in the final 10 games is eight, achieved by Blackburn Rovers as they rose from 18th to 10th in 2001-02.

West Ham won 19 points in 2002-03 but remained 18th at the end of the season. No other team has gained so many points and failed to climb out of the bottom three.

Norwich slumped from the relative safety of 13th to 20th and relegation in the 1994-95 season - the furthest a team has fallen to finish the campaign in the relegation places in the history of the Premier League.

The most places dropped over the last 10 games was by Wimbledon, who slid from seventh to 16th in 1998-99 after picking up just two points over the period. That is the worst points tally over the final 10 games by a team that has survived the drop.

On three occasions the same three teams have occupied the bottom three positions with 10 games to go and at the end of the season. In 2000-01 Manchester City, Coventry and Bradford occupied 18th, 19th and 20th at both points, and in 2002-03 there was no change in the placing of West Ham, West Brom and Sunderland. The Newcastle, Middlesbrough and West Brom teams of 2008-09 were the most recent to achieve this unwanted feat.

The Sunderland side of 2002-03 is the only one in Premier League history to fail to gain a point over the last 10 games of the season. Unsurprisingly they finished bottom.

Only two teams have gained a maximum 30 points from their final 10 games of the season - Manchester United in 1999-2000 and Arsenal in 2001-02.

 

Roberto Martinez was speaking to BBC Sport's Mike Henson. Statistics courtesy of Opta.

[The College Dropout]

Fucking Sunderland man. Useless tossers.

[jdckelly]

they really could get dragged into it they looked fucking appalling vs a very poor side 

[madras]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

 

Nothing that good could really happen to us.

 

Happened before, Sudnerland and Boro down...And we blast our way into the Champions leage for the first time.

 

Should have won the league that year

 

 

 

wrong year i think. the season both the mackems and boro went down was when we scraped into 2nd late on, needing to win by loads, liverpool and arsenal to get beat. i think every result on that last day went out way. the odds on all the games needed for us to get second and them two to go down would've made for a good win.

[Stifler]

Fucking Sunderland man. Useless tossers.

Nah, 6 points away from the relegation zone, they only need another 6-8 points to stay up and even though they are playing shit I can see them picking up that many points.

[The College Dropout]

f***ing Sunderland man. Useless tossers.

Nah, 6 points away from the relegation zone, they only need another 6-8 points to stay up and even though they are playing s*** I can see them picking up that many points.

 

 

I know they won't get relegated. So I wanted them to at least help relegate QPR. As it is, I bet neither go down.

[OzzieMandias]

Imagine if Villa and Sunderland went down. 

 

Nothing that good could really happen to us.

 

Happened before, Sudnerland and Boro down...And we blast our way into the Champions leage for the first time.

 

Should have won the league that year

 

 

 

wrong year i think. the season both the mackems and boro went down was when we scraped into 2nd late on, needing to win by loads, liverpool and arsenal to get beat. i think every result on that last day went out way. the odds on all the games needed for us to get second and them two to go down would've made for a good win.

 

Yeah, 1996-97, we beat Nottingham Forest 5-0 in the last game, sending them down along with Boro and the mackems, and pipped Liverpool to second and a Champions League place on goal difference. For me, a near perfect day. My late father was a Liverpool supporter, and the evening of that game I had two Forest-supporting friends arriving to visit, so I had a positive orgy of schadenfreude.

[cp40]

Sunderland

Southampton

Reading

[Dave]

Mackems have already done enough to collapse over the line I'm afraid.

[Skeletor]

Mackems have already done enough to collapse over the line I'm afraid.

 

Not necessarily. It's all about momentum and they have absolutely none.

[Dave]

They only need about five points and their goal difference is far superior to the others down the bottom. Just can't see it happening, unfortunately. Could be an amusing scrape though.

[cp40]

Mackems have already done enough to collapse over the line I'm afraid.

 

 

if they repeat the form  of the last 6 games over the rest of the season they could go down like.

[cp40]

They only need about five points and their goal difference is far superior to the others down the bottom. Just can't see it happening, unfortunately. Could be an amusing scrape though.

 

is what i expect tbh.