Sifu Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Carver does "oversee" our attacking play and it's virtually non-existent. A bit like the amount of time he gets to work on it. He doesn't have much time to work on it, granted. But the whole managerial setup is Pardew plus his assistants. The assistants are there to advise the manager on aspects of the game in which he is not particularly proficient in - as Carver is there to "advise" Pardew on attacking but as we've looked toothless in attack, a portion (however small) has to be attributed to Carver, as harsh as it sounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. We had a squad capable of challenging for the CL at the start of the season according to Pardew. Bollocks did we Not even a strongest XI. That's just another example of Pardew's media bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Aye, Dekka and Ashley made him play hoof ball, made use the same shit set penis, made him play Cisse on the wing, made him bring Shola on. What complete and utter shit, It's Pardew's crapness as a football manager ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. How does that explain yesterday like? Or the mackems game? He got what he wanted in the end and has made us worse. How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. Pardew was given a shit load of players in January, how have we played since this financial backing? Had they come in the summer I honestly believe we'd be in a similar, if not the same situation as now. He has a virtually fully fit squad and he lines up like that against Liverpool??? Sorry but the mans a waste of space, the evidence is there for all to see, look at the quotes from Tevez back in 2006, it's the same now, financial backing or not we would still be subjected to this tripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Manager - fully responsible for overseeing this shambles Assistant manager - has no input meaning hasn't got a clue or is happy being a yes man. 1st team coaches - can't teach passing, positioning, movement, technique or set pieces. Goalkeeper coaches - can't teach distribution. Fitness coaches - see injury list Physios - see reoccurring injuries Any hangers on - Beardsley I'm looking at you. All have to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 How the hell is it the board's fault? they went out and spent 20m on international quality footballers. If the manager still can't get results with that kind of backing then its his fault. Wraith can f*ck off. They fucked up massively in the summer. Can't really argue beyond that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 He doesn't have much time to work on it, granted. But the whole managerial setup is Pardew plus his assistants. The assistants are there to advise the manager on aspects of the game in which he is not particularly proficient in - as Carver is there to "advise" Pardew on attacking but as we've looked toothless in attack, a portion (however small) has to be attributed to Carver, as harsh as it sounds. The assistants can advise all they want and it will not make the slightest bit of difference if the advice isn't taken on board. Carver has to take some of the blame for our current situation, a tiny portion of it when compared to Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. How does that explain yesterday like? Or the mackems game? He got what he wanted in the end and has made us worse. How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? Do you have Alzheimers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. Pardew was given a shit load of players in January, how have we played since this financial backing? Had they come in the summer I honestly believe we'd be in a similar, if not the same situation as now. He has a virtually fully fit squad and he lines up like that against Liverpool??? Sorry but the mans a waste of space, the evidence is there for all to see, look at the quotes from Tevez back in 2006, it's the same now, financial backing or not we would still be subjected to this tripe. No Coloccini, no Krul, Ben Arfa on the bench and no Santon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. How does that explain yesterday like? Or the mackems game? He got what he wanted in the end and has made us worse. How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? Do you have Alzheimers ? I don't know. I have no proof either way, although the likelihood is that I don't. I'm not going to pick and choose a couple of examples to prove either way though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Where's Golfmag? Can't take the hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Manager - fully responsible for overseeing this shambles Assistant manager - has no input meaning hasn't got a clue or is happy being a yes man. 1st team coaches - can't teach passing, positioning, movement, technique or set pieces. Goalkeeper coaches - can't teach distribution. Fitness coaches - see injury list Physios - see reoccurring injuries Any hangers on - Beardsley I'm looking at you. All have to go. I'm unsure regarding goalkeeping coaches. Elliot wasn't good to start with, Harper is old as fuck and Krul has developed massively well. Distribution has always been bad, true. Harper is a good distributor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Bollocks did we Not even a strongest XI. That's just another example of Pardew's media bollocks. How do you know it was media bollocks and not his honest belief? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. How does that explain yesterday like? Or the mackems game? He got what he wanted in the end and has made us worse. How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? Do you have Alzheimers ? Can't remember. FYP. Missed a trick there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Bollocks did we Not even a strongest XI. That's just another example of Pardew's media bollocks. How do you know it was media bollocks and not his honest belief? Because he is never honest in the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 How the hell is it the board's fault? they went out and spent 20m on international quality footballers. If the manager still can't get results with that kind of backing then its his fault. Wraith can f*ck off. They f***ed up massively in the summer. Can't really argue beyond that. I won't deny that, but even so a poor summer window is no excuse to be fighting relegation in April/May. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. How does that explain yesterday like? Or the mackems game? He got what he wanted in the end and has made us worse. How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? Do you have Alzheimers ? Can't remember. FYP. Missed a trick there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? What draw away at Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. What's your point? That we would be safe from relegation had we invested sooner. So we go from 5th one season to just being safe. Not good enough. Could had spend as much as Chelsea in the summer and we'd still be in bottom table mediocrity with this t*** in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 How the hell is it the board's fault? they went out and spent 20m on international quality footballers. If the manager still can't get results with that kind of backing then its his fault. Wraith can f*ck off. They f***ed up massively in the summer. Can't really argue beyond that. I won't deny that, but even so a poor summer window is no excuse to be fighting relegation in April/May. They appointed him, they are ultimately to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 How does that explain the Chelsea win? Or the draw away at Benfica? What draw away at Benfica? Oh yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Manager - fully responsible for overseeing this shambles Assistant manager - has no input meaning hasn't got a clue or is happy being a yes man. 1st team coaches - can't teach passing, positioning, movement, technique or set pieces. Goalkeeper coaches - can't teach distribution. Fitness coaches - see injury list Physios - see reoccurring injuries Any hangers on - Beardsley I'm looking at you. All have to go. I'm unsure regarding goalkeeping coaches. Elliot wasn't good to start with, Harper is old as fuck and Krul has developed massively well. Distribution has always been bad, true. Harper is a good distributor. Harper is average at that but we're so starved of anything decent he looks good. Also think that's self taught rather than any decent level of coaching. Paul Barron was the last decent gk coach we had and where Krul learned most of his game from.(from what I hear anyway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 The root of our problems is most certainly the refusal to upgrade the quality of the squad last summer, which combined devastatingly with the somewhat severe fatigue/injury problems to put us in the mess we are in. Whilst I'm not enamored with many of Pardew's decisions, such as his reliance on a regressive Jonas and his penchants for direct play towards an often stranded Cisse, I can't help but look past the fact we wouldn't be worried about relegation this season (again) if we'd invested in the squad beforehand. What's your point? That we would be safe from relegation had we invested sooner. So we go from 5th one season to just being safe. That the main reason for our current predicament is the lack of depth combined with long-term injuries to several key players occurring throughout the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Manager - fully responsible for overseeing this shambles Assistant manager - has no input meaning hasn't got a clue or is happy being a yes man. 1st team coaches - can't teach passing, positioning, movement, technique or set pieces. Goalkeeper coaches - can't teach distribution. Fitness coaches - see injury list Physios - see reoccurring injuries Any hangers on - Beardsley I'm looking at you. All have to go. I'm unsure regarding goalkeeping coaches. Elliot wasn't good to start with, Harper is old as f*** and Krul has developed massively well. Distribution has always been bad, true. Harper is a good distributor. Harper is average at that but we're so starved of anything decent he looks good. Also think that's self taught rather than any decent level of coaching. Paul Barron was the last decent gk coach we had and where Krul learned most of his game from.(from what I hear anyway) Fair enough, hadn't realised we'd changed goalkeeping coach although I though Woodman was quite well-respected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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