Guest firetotheworks Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 But if it was a different charge (rape) would that not have been set out from the beginning? Aye they cannot charge him for rape now, but it reads like he's deffinitely sexually assaulted her. I'm assuming it's just harder to prove so they never pushed for it. Where's the N-O lawyer squadron at? Sexual activity with a child are the two outstanding charges. There is an element of coercion but the evidence suggests she was reluctantly consenting rather than refusing. If you think of sexual activity with a child as statutory rape then it makes more sense. I guess the defence will be that the only proof (unless it changes) is her word versus his? Having no experience of courts... how the hell do you judge that then? From who's more believable? Cause surely a 28 year old is more believable than a onlyjust15yearold Surely why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I just wonder (making a massive assumption), if he's tried to bag himself this young lass who could be from a more working class background lets say, with a view to trying to groom her and keep her gob shut in the process? I guess we may get an idea at the end of the trial - if true though - proper predatory behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 But if it was a different charge (rape) would that not have been set out from the beginning? Aye they cannot charge him for rape now, but it reads like he's deffinitely sexually assaulted her. I'm assuming it's just harder to prove so they never pushed for it. Where's the N-O lawyer squadron at? Sexual activity with a child are the two outstanding charges. There is an element of coercion but the evidence suggests she was reluctantly consenting rather than refusing. If you think of sexual activity with a child as statutory rape then it makes more sense. I guess the defence will be that the only proof (unless it changes) is her word versus his? Having no experience of courts... how the hell do you judge that then? From who's more believable? Cause surely a 28 year old is more believable than a onlyjust15yearold There is a real benefit in sitting in Court and listening to the evidence first hand. Often you can clearly see who is credible. Children are often more credible witnesses because there is a perception they are less likely to lie in the given context. Ah fair enough, that makes sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 But if it was a different charge (rape) would that not have been set out from the beginning? Aye they cannot charge him for rape now, but it reads like he's deffinitely sexually assaulted her. I'm assuming it's just harder to prove so they never pushed for it. Where's the N-O lawyer squadron at? Sexual activity with a child are the two outstanding charges. There is an element of coercion but the evidence suggests she was reluctantly consenting rather than refusing. If you think of sexual activity with a child as statutory rape then it makes more sense. I guess the defence will be that the only proof (unless it changes) is her word versus his? Having no experience of courts... how the hell do you judge that then? From who's more believable? Cause surely a 28 year old is more believable than a onlyjust15yearold Yeah. I mean I suppose the messages point towards something more happening and makes Johnson come across as a real predator. Johnson has pleaded guilty to grooming, kissing and touching her body in a sexual way. But yeah. I suppose him saying he didn't finger bang her or make her suck him off, would be more believable than what the 15 year old is saying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dembacha Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Will be interesting to see what the defence comes up with. Would they try and make it out that she was just as willing as him and therefore the other two charges won't be true? I very much doubt they'd use that defense like. It would be total speculation, but possibly the proof in those texts only shows that 'something' happened and he's claimed that it's a kiss. I assume the defence will be 'he didn't do, there's no evidence to prove he did'. The defence will be more manipulative towards the girl. 'You admired him, and when you met up with him you were hoping for more than a kiss and the defendant didn't go further than that did he? Because he never went further you felt hurt by him and you wanted to hurt him like he hurt you by saying these things to get him into trouble, didn't you?' Stuff like that. It's pretty hard in cases like this where there is plenty of evidence to suggest it did happen, then defense will be aiming to get a degree of doubt into the minds of the jury at the expense of the girl. She has already said that she admired him, is a big fan, and never wanted to tell anyone about it, so they will just play on that hoping she turns her back on the claims. You'd think that being a minor they won't be allowed to cross examine her directly, however they can bring her statement into question and put an element of doubt in the juries mind with those questions. It's going to be hard to put an element of doubt in the juries mind when they met in the back of a car behind a takeaway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Geordie Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not on Twitter - what's being sang - the Johnson song? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 There is fucking NOWT wrong with the word geet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 IP. You're geet lush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Why is there a crowd there? What is wrong with people? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Why is there a crowd there? What is wrong with people? They're up next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's a shame its taken an act of vile, predatory abuse to help the word 'geet' reach a national audience, but i feel this a small positive ray of light from a dark story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's a shame its taken an act of vile, predatory abuse to help the word 'geet' reach a national audience, but i feel this a small positive ray of light from a dark story. It's legit one of my fave words. Use it frequently. Geet shan to call it radge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not on Twitter - what's being sang - the Johnson song? Sleeping Satellite by Tasmin Archer. Howay, what do you think's being sang? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magpie Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Unexpected break due to girl breaking down and sobbing uncontrollably during cross examination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Not on Twitter - what's being sang - the Johnson song? Sleeping Satellite by Tasmin Archer. Howay, what do you think's being sang? It's actually a different song to what I was expecting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 usually I'd find stuff like that cringey but he must be absolutely devastated. What can he do, man? He's clamped himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Why is there a crowd there? What is wrong with people? There isn't actually a crowd there, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's from Friday anyway as his girlfriends with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Some of the replies to his tweet are pretty grim. My first thought was poor lass, then you read some of the responses to his tweet and people wonder why rape often goes unreported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Some of the replies to his tweet are pretty grim. My first thought was poor lass, then you read some of the responses to his tweet and people wonder why rape often goes unreported. Shit like this is just an absolute circus on there. We're not that much better tbf, but on there it's like it's all actually a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's a shame its taken an act of vile, predatory abuse to help the word 'geet' reach a national audience, but i feel this a small positive ray of light from a dark story. It's legit one of my fave words. Use it frequently. Geet shan to call it radge. 50% of these collections of letters aren't actually words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's a shame its taken an act of vile, predatory abuse to help the word 'geet' reach a national audience, but i feel this a small positive ray of light from a dark story. It's legit one of my fave words. Use it frequently. Geet shan to call it radge. 50% of these collections of letters aren't actually words. Cheers for keeping score, granda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The barrister representing shamed footballer Adam Johnson said a teenage girl has been "seriously wronged" by his grooming of her. Johnson is on trial at Bradford Crown Court, where he stands accused of two counts of sexual activity with a child. Last week, the ex-SAFC winger pleaded guilty to meeting a child following grooming and one count of sexual activity with a child. Today at the same court Orlando Pownall QC, defending Johnson, cross-examined the complainant in these charges. He opened his questioning by saying the girl had been "wronged" by his client. "It is accepted that you have been seriously wronged by Adam Johnson," Mr Pownall said. "You know he has pleaded guilty to sexual activity with you and to meeting up for the purpose of sexual activity following grooming." In questioning the girl, who is under 16 and cannot be named for legal reasons, Mr Pownall accused her of telling "untruths" and asking people who knew her to lie on her behalf. The girl admitted that she "did not want" her friends "to say to police" about one of the sex acts alleged to have taken place between her and Johnson She told jurors: "I was still trying to keep Adam Johnson out of trouble." The girl broke down in tears during her evidence and continued: "At that time I didn't realise it was wrong and I didn't realise that what had gone on was wrong." She added: "I didn't want to believe it had happened. "I was trying to forget about it and I was trying to still live normally." In evidence, the girl told jurors she asked her friends to lie to police to "protect somebody else" not herself. Under oath, the girl also admitted that she "consciously lied" to police regarding the whereabouts of a phone she was using while hers was examined by officers. Her own phone was taken so WhatsApp messages between she and Johnson, of Castle Eden, County Durham, could be downloaded. The girl was given another phone to use by a family member, for which she bought a SIM card - but when police asked for the phone, the girl asked her family member to lie and say it had been returned. Mr Pownall also accused the girl of asking her friends to delete messages from their own phones which went into details of what happened between her and the footballer. The girl said she "could not remember" specifically asking her friends to wipe their phones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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