Stifler Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 04:36, toontownman said: Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 08:49, Stifler said: Quote Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Would open up a can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 These past few posts are the main reason I want Austin to sign for NUFC tbf. All the WWE puns and gifs on here would easily be worth the 15m imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 08:53, South Tynedale Mag said: Would open up a can. Stifler just opened a can of dumbass on this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 06:38, Optimistic Nut said: How do we know he's agreed to have no say in transfers? If anything surely their friendship will make communication even better between Carr & manager when it comes to recruitment you'd think? Lee Charnley said it ages ago. Hence head coach and not manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:11, Skeletor said: Quote How do we know he's agreed to have no say in transfers? If anything surely their friendship will make communication even better between Carr & manager when it comes to recruitment you'd think? Lee Charnley said it ages ago. Hence head coach and not manager. He'll have a say, just not the final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-md-lee-charnley-8484848 The new head coach will have to set out to us what his playing style is, what his philosophy is and what he looks for in his team because that then impacts on what we look for in terms of recruitment. It all works together. The head coach picks the team. We don’t interfere in that. If the relationship works in the right way and everyone is going in the same direction and believes in our strategy and policy then there is no point in us buying a player that the head coach doesn’t want because he doesn’t play him and we don’t get the best out of our investment. When someone says: ‘Does he have any say (in transfers)?’ Yes. Does he have the final say? No he doesn’t. There’s a difference there. We hope it’s a happy marriage. We want someone who sees the bigger picture because my thinking will always be medium to long-term. When people talk about what we’re going to do in this transfer window, I am looking at the next transfer window and the window after and what impact it will have on that. Are there better opportunities if we wait three or four months rather than committing now? It’s trying to find that balance but also an individual in a head coach that trusts us. If we say ‘You aren’t going to get that now but you will in the summer’, it’s someone who is prepared to say ‘OK’ and trusts us to do that. It’s also someone that for example, if we were to get an offer for a player that is at a value that we want to take, isn’t nervous about getting a replacement. There has to be a trust. We want to make things better and improve things but sometimes our timelines might not meet. His requirements might be short-term but our view on some occasions may well be we’d rather wait because we can get better options and better value. Between me and the head coach and Graham, it’s a relationship that will have to develop. He will have to trust and believe in what we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueview Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:04, Village Idiot said: These past few posts are the main reason I want Austin to sign for NUFC tbf. All the WWE puns and gifs on here would easily be worth the 15m imho. http://s1.wallippo.com/thumbs/100000/stone-cold-steve-austin-render-1bffbd2b043673ab3063f99db87fc178.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:17, Pons Alias said: When someone says: ‘Does he have any say (in transfers)?’ Yes. Does he have the final say? No he doesn’t. There’s a difference there. Quote It’s trying to find that balance but also an individual in a head coach that trusts us. If we say ‘You aren’t going to get that now but you will in the summer’, it’s someone who is prepared to say ‘OK’ and trusts us to do that. Quote It’s also someone that for example, if we were to get an offer for a player that is at a value that we want to take, isn’t nervous about getting a replacement. There has to be a trust. Quote trust us and believe in what we do. :anguish: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 08:49, Stifler said: Quote Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? Fucking brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:46, Nobody said: Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. Yep, I don't get the problem with it at all, much better to have a recruitment policy that persists over the long term. It's hilarious to hear dense pundits try to get their heads around how Rodgers can't be held 100% responsible for transfers at Liverpool. It's like their brains can't comprehend people working as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:46, Nobody said: Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. Well said. Sick of hearing people make out like its completely alien in all of football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:46, Nobody said: Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 07:39, Roger Kint said: Quote Quote Steve and Austin to turn up today?.. Would be a good start at least Over the head of the young ones on here i think! Maybe it went over your head too if you are that old Rehire Stone and sign Ryan Gauld from Sporting Lisbon and we're sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 10:01, Shak said: Quote Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:04, Roger Kint said: Quote Would open up a can. Stifler just opened a can of dumbass on this thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 10:09, Hanskissedhispantz said: Quote Quote Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 People just need to be more grown up about it. No manager has exactly the squad they want, it's part of their job to use the tools they're given. Obviously the press need to wake up to this situation as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 08:52, Roger Kint said: Quote Quote Apparently press conference at 3:16 Why not just have it at quarter past? What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 10:14, Shak said: Quote Quote Quote Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Yeah, we cannot have it like it was under Pardew where he was just refusing to play anyone he didn't want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 10:19, Hanskissedhispantz said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. As long as they're not forcing players on a manager then it's a good system IMO. That's exactly what they would be doing by default though if the manager hasn't got the final say. We don't know the setup but what I would see as being ideal is that we don't sign anyone unless both McClaren and Carr are in agreement that he is both good enough to improve the squad and is a good fit for the way the manager wants to play. As long as McClaren and Carr have a good relationship I'd guess they'll work together well. Yeah, we cannot have it like it was under Pardew where he was just refusing to play anyone he didn't want The absolute worst way that this system could have worked with A stubborn, smug prick of a manager that prefers old fashioned British players and a "head scout" that seems to prefer flair players being instructed by the those above him to find cheap as chips players from around Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Pardew was the wrong manager for the club but giving him players he didn't want was still a stupid idea. Fair enough having a hands off role in scouting and transfer dealings but to have players brought in that he doesn't want will never work, I'm not sure this is as prevalent in the footballing world as you think it is tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 On 10/06/2015 at 09:46, Nobody said: Seriously, the obsession in the UK with the manager having final say on transfers is getting really annoying now. Nowhere else is it a problem for managers to have someone above him handling transfers in and out. The problem with our system won't be that Schteve won't have the final say, but that we'll happily sell any player and then simply not bother replacing him, as well as our extreme penny pinching that won't see us pay the going rate for anyone. I disagree, ultimately each club employs a manager and supposedly trusts their opinion and knowledge of football, so back that trust by letting him have the final say on the players he will be working with day in day out. If you don't trust the managers opinions on football to that extent why the fuck are you employing him then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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