Stifler Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 06:26, Optimistic Nut said: He's only managed 3 clubs and he failed at Cardiff. Expand I meant the fact that he failed at Man Utd worked out for everyone but Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Think we’ll have a sackathon on once the first PL manager goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Managers should be subject to the transfer window, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 11:59, jack j said: Expand Crazy. He's doing OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 06:09, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Expand I can’t recall one lasting long term, nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 13:12, Dokko said: Crazy. He's doing OK. Expand Is he? 2 wins in 18 games? Imagine when we had a similar run under Bruce and we were told he was doing ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Marsch talks a big game and I don’t mind him, but Leeds have underperformed during his tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 06:09, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Expand What about that Sbrakia guy at the mackems? Didn't he do well-ish? Roeder did canny for both us and West Ham, although he wasn't well at the end of his reign there iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) On 17/01/2023 at 14:22, gdm said: Is he? 2 wins in 18 games? Imagine when we had a similar run under Bruce and we were told he was doing ok? Expand 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. Only real issue I have with him is he looks like Jeremy Kyle. Edited January 17, 2023 by Dokko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 14:31, Dokko said: 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. Expand In terms of expected points (yeah I know, but I find it's a useful data point) Leeds are currently on the bad side of variance a little bit at the mo too. I'd be inclined to give a little bit more leeway when that's the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 06:09, Ben said: Has a caretaker manager that gets the full time gig after a few good results ever worked out ? Expand Chris Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 14:34, Cf said: In terms of expected points (yeah I know, but I find it's a useful data point) Leeds are currently on the bad side of variance a little bit at the mo too. I'd be inclined to give a little bit more leeway when that's the case. Expand Yup. It's OK. Which is all I said. They've brought a new manager to the league after such a character before him. He's just started his rebuild job and was never going to challenge the top end of the table. They've given him a lot of his players, it seemed crazy to turf him out now. This is how teams sink. Going from one manager to another supporting their way with players but not giving them the time to see it out. Nest guy comes in and he needs another 5 players and the squad is a frankenstien mess always playing catch up. Give him the rest of the season, seems sensible. I don't think they are playing badly either. They should probably have a few more points on the board and if so their position would look a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 13:11, Tomato Deuce said: Managers should be subject to the transfer window, too. Expand I've thought this a while like. Sacking a manager should still be fine but should only be able to replace them with someone internally until the next window, or a manager who wasn't in a job at the end of the last 'manager window'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The only way transfer windows are even vaguely enforceable is because the players have to be registered as players for the club. Is it the same situation for managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 14:31, Dokko said: 4 wins in 18. Win the game in hand and they are 5pts clear midway through the season. What do Leeds expect after selling their 2 best players (who went to 2 of the biggest clubs in the world) and bringing in lots of young foreign lads who need to adapt to the league. He's still carving out his way as well. Huge transformation job from their last manager. He's done OK. Only real issue I have with him is he looks like Jeremy Kyle. Expand It’s 2 wins in the last 17 including cup games. Point is pretty much everyone on here detested people looking in on the outside and suggesting Steve Bruce did a good job. Many Leeds fans aren’t happy with the job he’s doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 16:16, gdm said: It’s 2 wins in the last 17 including cup games. Point is pretty much everyone on here detested people looking in on the outside and suggesting Steve Bruce did a good job. Many Leeds fans aren’t happy with the job he’s doing Expand No one gets sacked for losing cup games unless it's a club expected to win silverware. So it's 4 in 18 as it will be league position & points which will determine his fate. Steve Bruce and his time here is not a yardstick on any manager or how a club operates. It's an anomaly. We were dead and buried, showing no ambition at any level and we were watching the death of a club. Only the Everton situation compares, even then there is still some hope as lampard is a decent bloke and the owners do find money for signings. We had neither. We had someone who totally took the piss out of the fans and dared pretend to be one when it suited him. Fair play if you want to compare Leeds' situation right now to Bruce's time here. I can't get on board with that. Leeds' fans, especially since their return and 1 good season seem to think they should be up there again battling manu etc... The reality is, they are where they belong, making up the numbers and trying to build something sustainable. JM has a chance to do that, giving a bit of time and a couple of signings per window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Mind I do get your general point about doubting other fans opinions on managers, players and owners. I just don't but it on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) I’m not comparing Bruce’s time to Marsch’s I’m saying I’ll let the Leeds fan decide if he’s doing ok. A good mate of mine is a Leeds fan and I listen to their main podcast when they lose (mainly to wind him up by laughing at it) and they weren’t impressed with him only keeping them up by skin of their teeth and they aren’t happy with results and what they are watching week in week out and we were told the season Bruce took over and finished midtable that he was doing a great job, better than Rafa etc etc but watching it week in week out the signs were there that it was a car crash Edited January 17, 2023 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 14:22, gdm said: Is he? 2 wins in 18 games? Imagine when we had a similar run under Bruce and we were told he was doing ok? Expand Underlying numbers are actually OK (e.g. biggest underperformance here https://understat.com/league/EPL, but can't comment on their model). Thought Leeds fans were split on him, unlike our boy Brucey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) On 17/01/2023 at 13:12, Dokko said: Crazy. He's doing OK. Expand Jesse ”go out there and be the best version of yourself” Marsch? Many Leeds fans seem to hate him and it’s perfectly understandable. Imagine going from Bielsa to that. Edited January 17, 2023 by Collage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 16:41, Jagten said: Underlying numbers are actually OK (e.g. biggest underperformance here https://understat.com/league/EPL, but can't comment on their model). Thought Leeds fans were split on him, unlike our boy Brucey? Expand They wanted him out then he won two games now they want him out again judging only by what I see and hear obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 There’s weird anti-Americanism with Marsch imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Marsch seems to be one of those coaches who relies entirely on talking a good game and motivating his players. I'm not sure there's much more to him than that. I'm about 80% certain it will end in Leeds getting relegated or Leeds sacking him before they go down. Not necessarily this year mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 17/01/2023 at 16:54, The College Dropout said: There’s weird anti-Americanism with Marsch imo. Expand If a PFM had 8 wins in 30 games into a new job, he'd get a bit stick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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