The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[bowlingcrofty]

My Arsenal supporting mate reckons he’s dreadful and has a small club manager mentality and therefore will always have a ceiling as to what he can do with a club. Keeps banging on about the time when Emery was Arsenal manager and he played 5 at the back at home to Burnley to counteract the fret.

 

For what it’s worth I think it’ll be a decent appointment but can’t see him ever breaking the top 7 with them. Think he’ll have them hovering between 8-10th in a couple of years.

[GeordieDazzler]

1 minute ago, Stifler said:

I have to kind of disagree with your last point there. Over the last 20 years I’d say Villarreal have been a bigger club than Villa. Villarreal have regularly played in Europe, including the Champions League and have been much more competitive La Liga than Villa have been in the Premier League. Let’s not also not disregard the fact that Villa at one point looked more in danger of dropping to League One than being promoted.

Villa are a miles bigger club than Villareal regardless of league position. You could fit nearly the entire population of the place inside Villa Park. 
 

Villareal are a well run and well funded side that have consistently punched above their weight. I’d argue their relatively smaller size has helped them do that.

[Danh1]

Think Emery is a good appointment. Was excited as owt last year when we were close to getting him. 
 

Mental how lucky we’ve been really, not that we’ve dodged a bullet but more that we’ve found an absolute gem. 

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

Villa are a miles bigger club than Villareal regardless of league position. You could fit nearly the entire population of the place inside Villa Park. 
 

Villareal are a well run and well funded side that have consistently punched above their weight. I’d argue their relatively smaller size has helped them do that.

I’m not saying that they are a bigger club overall, I’m saying in the last 20 years or so they have outperformed Villa. Their expectations I guess by contrast will be bigger than Villa’s. I don’t think any realistic Villa fan is sitting there thinking that their minimum aim must be European football, and their target should be the Champions League, where as possibly the Villarreal fans would expect to finish in the European places and believe that they should target a Champions League place.

 

Villarreal fans will likely be thinking an excellent season for them is finishing 3rd-4th, and Villa fans thinking 7th is one for them.

 

The pressure will be on Villarreal because they have built a team up to compete, where as Villa are on the road to building theirs.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Stifler

[Coffee_Johnny]

So is Emery’s latest move sound like going from Villarreal to Villa-fake? Seems a bit like going from Estádio da Luz to The Palladium of Shite. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Coffee_Johnny

[Rich]

[LV]

3 hours ago, David Edgar said:

 

This isn't true from what I've read.  The club fucked up and then wouldn't pay his release.

He agreed to come and then U-turned when the story got out. 
 

We’d agreed terms, it was a done deal. Nothing to do with not paying any release. 

[joeyt]

3 hours ago, David Edgar said:

 

This isn't true from what I've read.  The club fucked up and then wouldn't pay his release.

 

Where have you read this?

[wormy]

Don't think there's any better pedigree of manager out there for them right now so fair play on going for it. Be interested to see how he does. No hard feelings over him not taking us on as there's no way we'd be feeling about him, how we feel about Howe so I've no feelings of what might've been.

 

I still struggle to muster any genuine dislike toward Villa so best of luck to them now Stevie Geeeeee's gone.

[Tisd09]

At the time I wanted Emery before Howe, obvious super happy with the way it has turned out. Howe and his staff have been a perfect fit for us and our needs. 
 

Think Villa have made a good appointment and he should get more of a tune out of Villa then Gerrard did.  
 

 

[GeordieDazzler]

On the Villa/Newcastle rivalry, I was in the away end there when we went down. I wish them every misfortune as a football club.

 

Brummie is sound though 

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

1 hour ago, GeordieDazzler said:

 

- The pressure and exposure at Villarreal is far below what will be expected of him at Villa, although he’s been a plenty big clubs earlier in his career. 

 

He will improve Villa, there’s no doubt in that but could be a rather expensive medium term appointment and may not take them as far as their ambitions lie. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

I have to kind of disagree with your last point there. Over the last 20 years I’d say Villarreal have been a bigger club than Villa. Villarreal have regularly played in Europe, including the Champions League and have been much more competitive La Liga than Villa have been in the Premier League. Let’s not also not disregard the fact that Villa at one point looked more in danger of dropping to League One than being promoted.

 

I think what the first quote is saying, and I may be wrong here - so please do correct me, is that Villareal didn't have a history, as in they have no illustrious past to compare to, nor 'live up' as it's an expectation of the fans that that's where they should be, ie in the top flight division, and winning trophys.

 

Doing a google search to get the wiki page for the team - it seems that after a very long time, the team (real) is on the move upwards so their fans are still, for the want of a better word - riding the wave.

 

1 History

1.1 1923–29: Early years

1.2 1929–98: Time in lower divisions

1.3 1998–2012: La Liga and European debuts

1.4 2012–present: Relegation and European glory

 

Whereas, Villa have won in the 80's several European trophies - so it is there days that their fans are wanting to go back to - because to them - they are a big team and deserve to be there - no matter what. 

 

This last sentence is bollocks tbh as NO team deserve to be at the top unless they have earned it - so let's see how he does.

 

I'd be interested to see where Stevie G. next appears.

 

[Manxst]

25 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

On the Villa/Newcastle rivalry, I was in the away end there when we went down. I wish them every misfortune as a football club.

 

Brummie is sound though 

Me too. Load of cunts on the day, for no reason whatsoever.

[Stal]

I never disliked Villa until that relegation, in fact I grew up during Ron Atkinson's European side in the early 90s and rather enjoyed watching them. I have zero idea where that bitterness came from either, it was just so random. Maybe Villa fans are also MLFs as well.

[GeordieDazzler]

It was made worse by the fact we were staying down there to see Faithless so had to walk back though Birmingham in our toon tops. Lots of abuse all the way back to the hotel. Had a mint night after that but, yeah, fuck the Villa

[elbee909]

I keep wondering if Carrick is the managerial reincarnation of Bryan Robson as far as Boro is concerned.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

14 minutes ago, Stal said:

I never disliked Villa until that relegation, in fact I grew up during Ron Atkinson's European side in the early 90s and rather enjoyed watching them. I have zero idea where that bitterness came from either, it was just so random. Maybe Villa fans are also MLFs as well.

Villa and Everton seem to think that we’re smaller than them and therefore undeserving of the fact we tend to more coverage in the national press than them.  You’d think that might make them cotton on that they may have got that wrong, but hey-ho.

 

Villa are like the Mackems.  Like to boast how many big pots they’ve won, without letting on that most of them weren’t even won in the previous century.  

[buzza]

Never forgive them after the nastiness when they cemented us goin down. Bunch of complete arseholes.

[McCormick]

Might just be an online thing but they’re seemingly weirdly obsessed with getting one over on us. Makes sense I suppose, in the summer we were in a similar bracket (alongside West Ham) for attracting players to shake up the “big 6”. Inshallah we’ll be considered in a higher tier next summer.

[relámpago blanco]

1 hour ago, Stal said:

I never disliked Villa until that relegation, in fact I grew up during Ron Atkinson's European side in the early 90s and rather enjoyed watching them. I have zero idea where that bitterness came from either, it was just so random. Maybe Villa fans are also MLFs as well.

Yeah, I was the same until I worked in Birmingham for a year.

[TK-421]

Miguel Delaney having his arse handed to him again....
 

 Starts off questioning Emerey to Villa, then gets on about our spending ability, then when thats proven inaccurate, switches his argumjent about the wages we pay compared to Villa, which is also shown to be inaccurate.

 

Blokes an absolute weapon.

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by TK-421

[Kimbo]

There’s an example of why Twitter is so unsatisfying. He’s been proven wrong so he just abandons talking about the subject as if he never said anything stupid in the first place.

[The Prophet]

I think the broader argument he's making is fair enough, it's just his engagement with fans is absolutely pathetic.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by The Prophet

[wormy]

 So many tweets I honestly cant be arsed to find what triggered our fans.

 

Miguel Delaney is still a cunt. Probably was something innocuous but he's just a more eloquent Edwards to me at this point. You keep baiting our fans, they'll jump on the slightest thing in future.

[Stifler]

3 hours ago, South-Cheshire-Toon said:

 

 

I think what the first quote is saying, and I may be wrong here - so please do correct me, is that Villareal didn't have a history, as in they have no illustrious past to compare to, nor 'live up' as it's an expectation of the fans that that's where they should be, ie in the top flight division, and winning trophys.

 

Doing a google search to get the wiki page for the team - it seems that after a very long time, the team (real) is on the move upwards so their fans are still, for the want of a better word - riding the wave.

 

1 History

1.1 1923–29: Early years

1.2 1929–98: Time in lower divisions

1.3 1998–2012: La Liga and European debuts

1.4 2012–present: Relegation and European glory

 

Whereas, Villa have won in the 80's several European trophies - so it is there days that their fans are wanting to go back to - because to them - they are a big team and deserve to be there - no matter what. 

 

This last sentence is bollocks tbh as NO team deserve to be at the top unless they have earned it - so let's see how he does.

 

I'd be interested to see where Stevie G. next appears.

 

I honestly don’t think Villa fans think they have a right to be at the top. I also do not dispute the fact that historically Villa are the bigger club. All I’m saying is that over the last 20 years or so Villarreal have been the more successful, and as such their fans expectation or at least that of the board may put a bit more pressure on having them up there and competing, where as Villa are more at a building stage of their process.