Kaizero Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I wonder what had happened if Barcelona saw Pep as a failed ex-player tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Guardiola won the league, cup & Champions League within his first 9-10 months as manager. If he was pottering around 3rd and out of the Champions League in the Quarters they might have had question marks but he was fucking brill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Talking about the merits of the appointment, not calibre of the managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Okay then, Guardiola hadn’t failed at Rayo Vallecano massively before that. They also brought him in directly from the B team and I’m pretty sure if he’d performed like Ole, he’d not have lasted that long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Ole had done really well with the Man Utd reserves and knew the club culture, which would no doubt have had a role to play at a time when their identity was lost. You can essentially just discount everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Guessing we should have kept Glenn Roeder for another 12-18 months when it was plain to see he wasn't up to it...... Lets see the similarities: Ex-player Worked previously at club Failed in the PL previously Very good honeymoon period when not appointed full-time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 ”knows the club” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Guessing we should have kept Glenn Roeder for another 12-18 months when it was plain to see he wasn't up to it...... Lets see the similarities: Ex-player Worked previously at club Failed in the PL previously Very good honeymoon period when not appointed full-time Again, not talking about performance at the club. Talking about why the appointment made sense at the time for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Not sure that was the discussion? More to do with being kept on. Giving the contract during his ‘loan deal’ was crazy. It’s not like he’d have been poached. Should have let him go at the end of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Man Utd fans are allowing nostalgia to get in the way of common sense. There is zero evidence to suggest that Ole is an elite level manager and things are likely to get worse not better. The Man Utd I used to know, hate but ultimately respect would have gone after the best manager in the world, alongside the best players in the world. Best striker in the league? ...Andy Cole, signed him. Best young striker in the league?... Rooney, signed him. Best centre half, Rio Ferdinand, and so on. Man Utd the club have dropped their expectations and the fans are being tricked into thinking it's ok. Ok, I understand they aren't going to be poaching Pep or Klopp but have they even tried showing some ambition? They passed up the chance on Zidane or could have gone for Poch, both would have been sensible moves but no, they are sticking with good old Ole who is happy to be there and wont cause any problems for the owners. I mean, what happened to that club, they used to be such glorious cunts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Not sure that was the discussion? More to do with being kept on. Giving the contract during his ‘loan deal’ was crazy. It’s not like he’d have been poached. Should have let him go at the end of that. Not waiting till the end of the season at least was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Yep, think that’s when he was originally signed on to. Giving him a contract before that was up was stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Man Utd fans are allowing nostalgia to get in the way of common sense. There is zero evidence to suggest that Ole is an elite level manager and things are likely to get worse not better. The Man Utd I used to know, hate but ultimately respect would have gone after the best manager in the world, alongside the best players in the world. Best striker in the league? ...Andy Cole, signed him. Best young striker in the league?... Rooney, signed him. Best centre half, Rio Ferdinand, and so on. Man Utd the club have dropped their expectations and the fans are being tricked into thinking it's ok. Ok, I understand they aren't going to be poaching Pep or Klopp but have they even tried showing some ambition? They passed up the chance on Zidane or could have gone for Poch, both would have been sensible moves but no, they are sticking with good old Ole who is happy to be there and wont cause any problems for the owners. I mean, what happened to that club, they used to be such glorious cunts? That's all perfectly valid, but also under possibly the greatest manager of all time. I don't know that they need an elite coach. They had two, and it didn't work. They need to take stock - there's no catching Liverpool or City, and Chelsea are looking good despite the transfer ban. They've fallen too far to compete with Tottenham or Leicester or Arsenal, but there's no reason they can't get things right to give it a good go next season. Their problems are pretty obvious, and if they can get the wrong players out and the right ones in - never forgetting that even if they finish tenth, they'll still have the pull of Manchester United - there's no reason they can't challenge even with a non-elite coach. Their problem, it seems to me from my passing interest, is that they need Woodward to be on the same page as his manager, which hasn't happened... ever? He makes almost as many stupid missteps as Ashley, just of the cash-burning variety instead. Seems their only chance is if Woodward sticks with OGS and buys the players he wants, not the ones Woodward decides to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Man Utd fans are allowing nostalgia to get in the way of common sense. There is zero evidence to suggest that Ole is an elite level manager and things are likely to get worse not better. The Man Utd I used to know, hate but ultimately respect would have gone after the best manager in the world, alongside the best players in the world. Best striker in the league? ...Andy Cole, signed him. Best young striker in the league?... Rooney, signed him. Best centre half, Rio Ferdinand, and so on. Man Utd the club have dropped their expectations and the fans are being tricked into thinking it's ok. Ok, I understand they aren't going to be poaching Pep or Klopp but have they even tried showing some ambition? They passed up the chance on Zidane or could have gone for Poch, both would have been sensible moves but no, they are sticking with good old Ole who is happy to be there and wont cause any problems for the owners. I mean, what happened to that club, they used to be such glorious cunts? That's all perfectly valid, but also under possibly the greatest manager of all time. I don't know that they need an elite coach. They had two, and it didn't work. They need to take stock - there's no catching Liverpool or City, and Chelsea are looking good despite the transfer ban. They've fallen too far to compete with Tottenham or Leicester or Arsenal, but there's no reason they can't get things right to give it a good go next season. Their problems are pretty obvious, and if they can get the wrong players out and the right ones in - never forgetting that even if they finish tenth, they'll still have the pull of Manchester United - there's no reason they can't challenge even with a non-elite coach. Their problem, it seems to me from my passing interest, is that they need Woodward to be on the same page as his manager, which hasn't happened... ever? He makes almost as many stupid missteps as Ashley, just of the cash-burning variety instead. Seems their only chance is if Woodward sticks with OGS and buys the players he wants, not the ones Woodward decides to buy. We're ahead of Spurs and a point behind Arsenal. And yes Woodward has been a bollocks, but the recruitment in the summer was excellent. That's why there's a lot of optimism. We signed 3 good, young, hungry players and shipped out two players who didn't want to be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Toon are 11th and two points off fifth - is current league position indicative of where a club is likely to finish? If you think you are competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Toon are 11th and two points off fifth - is current league position indicative of where a club is likely to finish? If you think you are competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season... I love nothing more than a good old Man United bashing but why wouldn't they be competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season? They are probably well ahead of Spurs in 2019 calendar year league table too despite Ole being the worst manager in the league by a fucking mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/jahrestabelle/wettbewerb/GB1 Even so, it’s averaging out at under 60 points which is unthinkable for Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Toon are 11th and two points off fifth - is current league position indicative of where a club is likely to finish? If you think you are competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season... Generally speaking aye, after 12 games you can have a pretty clear indication of who is going to finish where. Obviously they are some anomalies as Newcastle finished 5th under Pardew and Chelsea finished mid-table under Jose/Conte. We will absolutely compete with Arsenal and Tottenham this season. We just can't compete with Liverpool and City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Toon are 11th and two points off fifth - is current league position indicative of where a club is likely to finish? If you think you are competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season... I love nothing more than a good old Man United bashing but why wouldn't they be competing with Tottenham and Arsenal this season? They are probably well ahead of Spurs in 2019 calendar year league table too despite Ole being the worst manager in the league by a fucking mile. It's not saying that much to be able to compete with Spurs and Arsenal, both are having a crap season so far. Top four places are up for grabs, probably be a few teams battling for them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I love the idea of Sean Dyche being interviewed for the Man City job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 If I speak, I’m in big trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 so basically pardew, curbhishley etc just being brought into interviews to tick a box? because each club will probably already know who they're going to appoint and its probably not going to be the obligatory english guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm enjoying ole at man utd 95% of football fans knew it was a total fuck up when they announced him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Luis Enrique back as Spain boss - good on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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