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One thing I find interesting is how managers are perceived and it's difficult for them to change it.

 

Think everyone thought Emery did a very good job at Valencia. Fans didn't like him much. They've not been CL regulars since he left.

 

Good job at Sevilla, strengthened his rep. Then gone to PSG and lost all credibility with the players walking all over him.

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He may very well not be good with players with big reputations, and to be fair Arsenal don't have many of those.

 

Apparently Arteta didn't want to be just a coach without full and final decision on transfers. Emery is willing to go ahead with that.

 

We'll see he may very well revert to his Valencia and Sevilla days. Should be interesting.

 

 

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He may very well not be good with players with big reputations, and to be fair Arsenal don't have many of those.

 

Apparently Arteta didn't want to be just a coach without full and final decision on transfers. Emery is willing to go ahead with that.

 

We'll see he may very well revert to his Valencia and Sevilla days. Should be interesting.

 

 

 

Says a lot about how Arsenal see themselves at boardroom level. Probably accurate.  3rd tops, 5th and a cup probably an acceptable season. Probably a better chance of getting to the CL via the EL than the league. 

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Man the collection of quality managers in the league is something else at the minute. Pretty cool.

 

it is but the level of patience within clubs is at an all time low as well, poor start they'll likely be fired off into the sun for a PFM

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Man the collection of quality managers in the league is something else at the minute. Pretty cool.

 

Makes investment in the squad even more important, there's only so much Rafa can do. If clubs like West Ham & potentially Everton, who we were in and amongst last season, are going to also have top managers, then Benitez needs similar quality players to continue to compete with them.

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West Ham getting a better manager than Arsenal is ridiculous. Pellegrini also suits the Arsenal way far better.

 

Aye, if you swapped clubs it'd look about right.

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Pellegrini is a bit like Arsene in a way though, as far as being an older and really relaxed guy, so probably the last thing they need tbh.

 

I think that may be the best thing regarding their hiring of Unai Emery, in that he demands a lot of his players.

 

Those Arsenal players really seemed far too comfortable with Wenger. Felt like they were taking advantage of the poor guy. Didn't really seem like they suffered any repercussions when they were awful.

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Yeah, now they'll all just fall out with the manager when they lose instead. [emoji38] I'd take your point if he was a good manager as well, ala Simeone, but he's not a very good manager, which Wenger still was despite being soft.

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Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here.

 

It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it.

 

And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa.

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Yeah, now they'll all just fall out with the manager when they lose instead. [emoji38] I'd take your point if he was a good manager as well, ala Simeone, but he's not a very good manager, which Wenger still was despite being soft.

 

Yeah, perhaps :lol:

 

They're so soft now that you could definitely see them all throwing a tantrum with any kind of tough management.

 

They really should have done everything to try and get Simeone , but no chance he would have put up with that structure they want in place.

 

If Emery starts well and the team visibly doesn't look as flimsy as they have been for ages now, I could see him gathering steam as the fans will be so excited with that one change. A bad start would be a disaster though.

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Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here.

 

It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it.

 

And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa.

 

Hmmm ...

 

Think you're being way too kind regarding Pardew.

 

I'd argue he found a way to pick worse players int the team than he should have the majority of the time. And he found a way to select the wrong tactics also.

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Don't think he'll be as bad as some here seem to think mind

 

that's not really the criteria for them though is it?  they want CL football again and preferably a title challenge, they're absolutely not getting one of them and most likely neither

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Don't think he'll be as bad as some here seem to think mind

It depends on your interpretation. Anything less than top 4, or unluckily missing out if next season's top 4 is really, really strong, then it's bad imo. Personally I think they'll be 6th or 7th.
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Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here.

 

It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it.

 

And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa.

 

Hmmm ...

 

Think you're being way too kind regarding Pardew.

 

I'd argue he found a way to pick worse players int the team than he should have the majority of the time. And he found a way to select the wrong tactics also.

 

Probably. I think it's arguable that Emery got a fair bit wrong in the first season in terms of tactics and selection (proven by finishing 2nd with a team that should have been able to walk that league 5x over). But when your team costs that much and you have the owners breathing down your neck it's understandable they'd want you picking on wages over performance.

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