The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 One thing I find interesting is how managers are perceived and it's difficult for them to change it. Think everyone thought Emery did a very good job at Valencia. Fans didn't like him much. They've not been CL regulars since he left. Good job at Sevilla, strengthened his rep. Then gone to PSG and lost all credibility with the players walking all over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 He may very well not be good with players with big reputations, and to be fair Arsenal don't have many of those. Apparently Arteta didn't want to be just a coach without full and final decision on transfers. Emery is willing to go ahead with that. We'll see he may very well revert to his Valencia and Sevilla days. Should be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Who's the billy big bollocks calling the shots at Arsenal now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 He may very well not be good with players with big reputations, and to be fair Arsenal don't have many of those. Apparently Arteta didn't want to be just a coach without full and final decision on transfers. Emery is willing to go ahead with that. We'll see he may very well revert to his Valencia and Sevilla days. Should be interesting. Says a lot about how Arsenal see themselves at boardroom level. Probably accurate. 3rd tops, 5th and a cup probably an acceptable season. Probably a better chance of getting to the CL via the EL than the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnMag Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Arsenal needs to rebuild, i wonder if Emery is the right manager to do that? But their fans demand big name manager, so there he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 could see things turning ugly at arsenal personally BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Very good appointment for them. With the right backing he could be a Benitez type figure for the West Ham fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 BTW I hope Emery is fucking shite and Arsenal's misery continues. Would absolutely love it if Rafa got backed this summer and we finished above them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Man the collection of quality managers in the league is something else at the minute. Pretty cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Man the collection of quality managers in the league is something else at the minute. Pretty cool. it is but the level of patience within clubs is at an all time low as well, poor start they'll likely be fired off into the sun for a PFM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Man the collection of quality managers in the league is something else at the minute. Pretty cool. Makes investment in the squad even more important, there's only so much Rafa can do. If clubs like West Ham & potentially Everton, who we were in and amongst last season, are going to also have top managers, then Benitez needs similar quality players to continue to compete with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Fucking Unai Emery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 West Ham getting a better manager than Arsenal is ridiculous. Pellegrini also suits the Arsenal way far better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 West Ham getting a better manager than Arsenal is ridiculous. Pellegrini also suits the Arsenal way far better. Aye, if you swapped clubs it'd look about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Pellegrini is a bit like Arsene in a way though, as far as being an older and really relaxed guy, so probably the last thing they need tbh. I think that may be the best thing regarding their hiring of Unai Emery, in that he demands a lot of his players. Those Arsenal players really seemed far too comfortable with Wenger. Felt like they were taking advantage of the poor guy. Didn't really seem like they suffered any repercussions when they were awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Yeah, now they'll all just fall out with the manager when they lose instead. I'd take your point if he was a good manager as well, ala Simeone, but he's not a very good manager, which Wenger still was despite being soft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here. It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it. And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Yeah, now they'll all just fall out with the manager when they lose instead. I'd take your point if he was a good manager as well, ala Simeone, but he's not a very good manager, which Wenger still was despite being soft. Yeah, perhaps They're so soft now that you could definitely see them all throwing a tantrum with any kind of tough management. They really should have done everything to try and get Simeone , but no chance he would have put up with that structure they want in place. If Emery starts well and the team visibly doesn't look as flimsy as they have been for ages now, I could see him gathering steam as the fans will be so excited with that one change. A bad start would be a disaster though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here. It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it. And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa. Hmmm ... Think you're being way too kind regarding Pardew. I'd argue he found a way to pick worse players int the team than he should have the majority of the time. And he found a way to select the wrong tactics also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Don't think he'll be as bad as some here seem to think mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Don't think he'll be as bad as some here seem to think mind that's not really the criteria for them though is it? they want CL football again and preferably a title challenge, they're absolutely not getting one of them and most likely neither Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Don't think he'll be as bad as some here seem to think mind It depends on your interpretation. Anything less than top 4, or unluckily missing out if next season's top 4 is really, really strong, then it's bad imo. Personally I think they'll be 6th or 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Emery's time at PSG reminds me of Pardew here. It just seemed like football happened to him and not because of him. He'd get chucked a load of players by the board without much say in the matter. The team practically picked it's self. The tactics didn't really matter because the players would just do what they fancied anyway. When the players got in a huff there was bugger all he could do about it. And neither of them could handle Ben Arfa. Hmmm ... Think you're being way too kind regarding Pardew. I'd argue he found a way to pick worse players int the team than he should have the majority of the time. And he found a way to select the wrong tactics also. Probably. I think it's arguable that Emery got a fair bit wrong in the first season in terms of tactics and selection (proven by finishing 2nd with a team that should have been able to walk that league 5x over). But when your team costs that much and you have the owners breathing down your neck it's understandable they'd want you picking on wages over performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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