The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[PENKAAA]

2 minutes ago, Donut said:

"It will be a stepping stone for him to manage Liverpool one day."  

More like a stepping stone to League One.

 

 

[Jagten]

1 hour ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

Journalists disliking your managerial appointment is the only true sign that you've got it right. At times like this I am always reminded of the greatest such example from https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jan/18/nigel-adkins-southampton: 

 

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"Whatever the reasoning, the fact of the matter is that Southampton's league position was moving in the right direction and Adkins had the best win percentage of any Saints manager since the 19th century, which makes the decision to replace him with Mauricio Pochettino feel ridiculous."

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Jagten

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

2 minutes ago, Disco said:

Wonder if he’ll bother anywhere else or just fade into the background. Fair chance the Rangers job might be up again soon, wonder if he’d go back?

 

Hasn’t got the personality to do media.

 

Oh he'll persist imo. He'll carve out a career unfortunately. Can even see him getting the Liverpool job at some point, not through merit, like. Not a wild bet for them to go for their own Ole being as strange as they are. 

[Disco]

2 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Oh he'll persist imo. He'll carve out a career unfortunately. Can even see him getting the Liverpool job at some point, not through merit, like. Not a wild bet for them to go for their own Ole being as strange as they are. 

Absolutely no chance, he’s fucked it on that front. He’d be able to get a championship job no bother but it’s a huge step down. Doesn’t need it unless he’s mega driven to make a go of it which is hard to tell. 

[brummie]

12 minutes ago, Jonas said:

I never thought he or anybody could move Villa out of that middle tier. O'Neill spent a fortune and couldn't.

So what could he achieve? At the absolute best 7th. Kinda where Villa often have been.

You'll know better than me Brummie but in the PL era doesn't that include O'Neill, O'Leary, Big Ron, Brian Little, Gregory. So Gerrard could have done what they did at most.

He would have had to break into the top 6 to be on track for Liverpool and it was never happening. So he should have bided his time and learned his trade better at Rangers. For me.

If it was a Man City situation then by all means.

 

 

 

 

We finished 2nd in the first PL season.

Between 96 and 01 we finished 4th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 6th

O'Neill had us 6th, 6th, 6th

Even O'Leary had us 6th.

 

It's not about finishing in the top 7, it's about not being 17th.

 

We haven't finished in the top half since 2011. We weren't even in the top flight for 3 of the years.

 

This is EXACTLY the sort of discourse you guys will have heard from outsiders for a decade too.

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by brummie

[Wolfcastle]

Could start a chain reaction now. Leicester, Leeds and Everton could do without Villa and Wolves getting new managers and improving. Also picking up potential targets they might have fancied.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

5 minutes ago, Disco said:

Absolutely no chance, he’s fucked it on that front. He’d be able to get a championship job no bother but it’s a huge step down. Doesn’t need it unless he’s mega driven to make a go of it which is hard to tell. 

 

Maybe I'm just dreaming as it'd be fucking hilarious, but I struggle to see him not back and managing a PL side in the not too distant future, probably via Championship. Because of fucking course more than anything. He just seems like the type to get carried way beyond where he'd legitimately be able to claim to be able to get himself. His attitude doesnt seem to me like it'd let him quit either. If he quits he fucks off and Im happy if he doesnt he'll provide hilarity for years to come. Win-win.

[Jonas]

7 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

We finished 2nd in the first PL season.

Between 96 and 01 we finished 4th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 6th

O'Neill had us 6th, 6th, 6th

Even O'Leary had us 6th.

 

It's not about finishing in the top 7, it's about not being 17th.

 

We haven't finished in the top half since 2011. We weren't even in the top flight for 3 of the years.

 

This is EXACTLY the sort of discourse you guys will have heard from outsiders for a decade too.

 

 

 

 

His media mates might have spun it a success but I don't think anybody else would have considered it an achievement for Gerrard to just be mid-table. Which as you've pointed out is average for Villa. Notwithstanding the new finances which I'm not up on.

Thus he'd had to have done better than that and the margin was too fine, imho, for someone with his lack of experience to achieve. 

I'm not at all saying he hasn't done a poor job or that he shouldn't have been sacked I'm saying he shouldn't have taken it because the chances of doing better than average with the top 6, maybe even 7, taken was too much for him at this point.

[rgk_lfc]

43 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Maybe I'm just dreaming as it'd be fucking hilarious, but I struggle to see him not back and managing a PL side in the not too distant future, probably via Championship. Because of fucking course more than anything. He just seems like the type to get carried way beyond where he'd legitimately be able to claim to be able to get himself. His attitude doesnt seem to me like it'd let him quit either. If he quits he fucks off and Im happy if he doesnt he'll provide hilarity for years to come. Win-win.

 

It is going to be tricky though. He got the LFC youth team job through his status as a player. It appears he got the Rangers job through contacts. Dalglish and a couple of others with connections to Rangers hierarchy played a role. Purslow played a big role in him getting the Villa job. I dont think he has gotten a job because he impressed the owners and CEO with his footballing vision or interview.  I guess as long as his mates continue to back him in the media, he will end up getting another job. 

[rgk_lfc]

Having said that, I am wondering which PL club he even has a chance. Arsenal, Brentford, Brighton, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, City, United, Newcastle, Spurs, Southampton - all have moved past "personality" or "big name" player managers. They all have a plan or vision with DOFs running the scenes and look to hire managers who fit that vision. Everton too for all their transfer failings - you can see that they are trying to implement the modern DOF manager model - they just haven't nailed the appointments in the past. I don't know enough about West Ham, Wolves, and the remaining clubs. I just don't see space for someone like him managing in the PL unless he shows that he has something interesting in terms of tactics, vision elsewhere. 

 

Of course, at some point, there is going to be an intense media campaign to get him the LFC job, but he seems to be the exact opposite of the analytics data driven FSG type. 

[The Bonk]

34 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

Having said that, I am wondering which PL club he even has a chance. Arsenal, Brentford, Brighton, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, City, United, Newcastle, Spurs, Southampton - all have moved past "personality" or "big name" player managers. They all have a plan or vision with DOFs running the scenes and look to hire managers who fit that vision. Everton too for all their transfer failings - you can see that they are trying to implement the modern DOF manager model - they just haven't nailed the appointments in the past. I don't know enough about West Ham, Wolves, and the remaining clubs. I just don't see space for someone like him managing in the PL unless he shows that he has something interesting in terms of tactics, vision elsewhere. 

 

Of course, at some point, there is going to be an intense media campaign to get him the LFC job, but he seems to be the exact opposite of the analytics data driven FSG type. 

He’s not smart enough or bothered. He was an unbelievable player, but he’s clearly not going to be a very good manager. I can’t picture him sitting a room with a bunch of sports data scientists plotting out formation, tactics, etc.  

[OpenC]

On the other hand, can 100% see him hoying on a pair of boots, giving a Brucesque 'let's play' and running around like Brian Glover's PE teacher in Kes showing the lads his moves 

[Gaztoon]

I'd try go the southgate route if I was Gerrard.. get into the england set up with the unders and learn his trade.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Gaztoon said:

I'd try go the southgate route if I was Gerrard.. get into the england set up with the unders and learn his trade.

 

Wonder if Villa will go the other way, go with a Caretaker for the next few games and see if Southgate would go after the World Cup. Would be a big mistake for Villa but ex-legend and all that jazz.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Optimistic Nut

[Cronky]

I thought he'd do well, and wouldn't be surprised if he made a successful comeback in time.

 

He's not been lucky with injuries, and signing Coutinho looks like a costly mistake. He never looks like he fits in with that side.

 

Perhaps a more experienced manager could have handled the Mings - McGinn captaincy situation better. One of Eddie's many achievements is how he has eased Lascelles out of the first team without damaging team unity or morale.

[The Butcher]

 

 

"Me me me me me"

[SiLvOR]

Bollocks. Was looking forward to seeing him slump in his chair in person next week. 

[KaKa]

Villa really picked the wrong season to have a dud in charge. 

 

If they mess up their next appointment they are toast. Could easily see them go down.

 

Not sure who will agree to go there with the position they are currently in either.

[Sima]

7 hours ago, Jonas said:

I never thought he or anybody could move Villa out of that middle tier. O'Neill spent a fortune and couldn't.

So what could he achieve? At the absolute best 7th. Kinda where Villa often have been.

You'll know better than me Brummie but in the PL era doesn't that include O'Neill, O'Leary, Big Ron, Brian Little, Gregory. So Gerrard could have done what they did at most.

He would have had to break into the top 6 to be on track for Liverpool and it was never happening. So he should have bided his time and learned his trade better at Rangers. For me.

If it was a Man City situation then by all means.

 

 

 

 

Thought as a Newcastle fan you would know better than to peddle shite about a club having a ceiling.

[jack j]

Poch

Emery

Tuchel

Frank

The 4 at the top of the bookies market

[KaKa]

Can't see any of those going there.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if they end up with Rafa. Could see him go there and turn things around for them quite quickly.

[Guest]

Villa will be a big pull. They're a top 10 squad on paper for me, a good manager could have them pushing top 7-8 at least and they have a lot of money.

[Geogaddi]

4 minutes ago, jack j said:

Poch

Emery

Tuchel

Frank

The 4 at the top of the bookies market

Aside from Frank I can’t see any of them going to Villa unless they are offered a shit load of money , Tuchel and Poch are leagues above what Villa can attract , Unai was obviously tempted by us last year so he might be interested.

[Gawalls]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Can't see any of those going there.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if they end up with Rafa. Could see him go there and turn things around for them quite quickly.

He needs to for his reputation because he done an awful job at Everton.

[RodneyCisse]

38 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Villa really picked the wrong season to have a dud in charge. 

 

If they mess up their next appointment they are toast. Could easily see them go down.

 

Not sure who will agree to go there with the position they are currently in either.

They might end up like wolves struggling to find someone to step up to the plate.