colinmk Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Fair point, I can't really see many on the planet being able to achieve that bar Fergie with those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is there anything more uninspiring than Moyes/Pulis to Nufc? Yeah, i know the idea of Pardew staying is worse. But fuck me, both cunts i mentioned is two negative dinosaurs and the personification of everything that is wrong with English football. I know you pretty much want anyone except Pardew, but come on. Absolutely incredible. Judging Moyes on one season makes you no better than the arseholes who bring up Pardew finishing 5th. Not many people are judging Moyes on one season, he was at Everton a long time. They played pretty dogged football for most of that time, although to be fair, they looked good last season. His failure at Man U though has shown his limitations. Football has moved on, and so have Everton. That's what we need to do as well. We played pretty dogged football at the start of his tenure because of the incredible amount of shite we had on our books. He took a team which regularly included Big Dunc, Marcus Bent, Carsley, Kilbane, Pistone, Weir and Stubbs (to name just a few) to 4th. Did we play pretty football? Occasionally, not regularly. And it was exactly the right thing to do given we didn't have a pot to piss in and were stuck with generally poor players. He then recognised that if we were to progress - or even maintain our standards in the face of several teams with infinitely superior spending power - we need to buy better footballers but smartly, with Pienaar and Arteta being the 2 prime examples. This pattern continued as the years went by, albeit we were again limited due to a distinct lack of funds. It's not just last season we started playing better, we've been improving aesthetically for the past 6 or 7 years. His problem, as was the case throughout his time here, was his mentality. His actual acquisitions improved in terms of footballing quality and we more regularly played better football, but in the crunch moments he was let down by a lack of bottle and having to settle for 1 point when we should have got 3. This is what Martinez has changed. I think Moyes would be a good appointment for you, if that does transpire. He's obviously a million times better than Pardew and I'm pretty confident he'd get you challenging for the European positions. While I wouldn't expect people to be lining the streets in celebration upon his hypothetical appointment, the question you have to ask yourself is who better would you realistically get in this summer? Your assertion that football has moved on is a bit OTT but I can see what you're getting at; but that's all well and good in an idealist world. I think Moyes would represent a very good move, if he were interested. I honestly cannot remember ever hearing Everton being described as a defensive or boring team during his tenture, only since Martinez took over and Moyes' is failing at Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Fair point, I can't really see many on the planet being able to achieve that bar Fergie with those players. This season, if nothing else, highlights what an incredible manager Fergie was. He consistently got average players playing well above themselves and there's probably no greater quality in a manager than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is there anything more uninspiring than Moyes/Pulis to Nufc? Yeah, i know the idea of Pardew staying is worse. But fuck me, both cunts i mentioned is two negative dinosaurs and the personification of everything that is wrong with English football. I know you pretty much want anyone except Pardew, but come on. Absolutely incredible. Judging Moyes on one season makes you no better than the arseholes who bring up Pardew finishing 5th. Not many people are judging Moyes on one season, he was at Everton a long time. They played pretty dogged football for most of that time, although to be fair, they looked good last season. His failure at Man U though has shown his limitations. Football has moved on, and so have Everton. That's what we need to do as well. We played pretty dogged football at the start of his tenure because of the incredible amount of shite we had on our books. He took a team which regularly included Big Dunc, Marcus Bent, Carsley, Kilbane, Pistone, Weir and Stubbs (to name just a few) to 4th. Did we play pretty football? Occasionally, not regularly. And it was exactly the right thing to do given we didn't have a pot to piss in and were stuck with generally poor players. He then recognised that if we were to progress - or even maintain our standards in the face of several teams with infinitely superior spending power - we need to buy better footballers but smartly, with Pienaar and Arteta being the 2 prime examples. This pattern continued as the years went by, albeit we were again limited due to a distinct lack of funds. It's not just last season we started playing better, we've been improving aesthetically for the past 6 or 7 years. His problem, as was the case throughout his time here, was his mentality. His actual acquisitions improved in terms of footballing quality and we more regularly played better football, but in the crunch moments he was let down by a lack of bottle and having to settle for 1 point when we should have got 3. This is what Martinez has changed. I think Moyes would be a good appointment for you, if that does transpire. He's obviously a million times better than Pardew and I'm pretty confident he'd get you challenging for the European positions. While I wouldn't expect people to be lining the streets in celebration upon his hypothetical appointment, the question you have to ask yourself is who better would you realistically get in this summer? Your assertion that football has moved on is a bit OTT but I can see what you're getting at; but that's all well and good in an idealist world. I think Moyes would represent a very good move, if he were interested. I think that's a very good and loyal defence of Moyes, but I think we don't need to aim to become last season's Everton, we have been fighting on the same turf for the last 10 years. We need to show some balls and go for a Martinez, like Kenwright did to step up to the level we should be at. You have more or less said the same thing from an Everton supporter's POV really. Investing in a quality, modern manager is the best money an owner can spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Truth is that Moyes would probably be a success here. He had an excellent record with a tight purse at Everton and the situation isn't too dissimilar up here. I'd be quite happy with that appointment but to be honest, at the minute, I wouldn't be too displeased at Terry Connor as an alternative to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes is easily good enough for us ffs. He'd not go from the biggest job in the fucking world to total shithouse Newcastle though, it's about as pointless as discussing Sherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes is easily good enough for us ffs. He'd not go from the biggest job in the f***ing world to total shithouse Newcastle though, it's about as pointless as discussing Sherwood. Where would he go from Man Utd? We're the best he's going to get unless he maybe fancies Celtic if Lennon comes south. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes is easily good enough for us ffs. He'd not go from the biggest job in the fucking world to total shithouse Newcastle though, it's about as pointless as discussing Sherwood. You're probably right, but on the other hand, what better job would be available for him if he gets fired after a shocking spell at Man Utd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Aren't the scottish renowned for being miserable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 So a 'fan' of a team whose last 2 managers have been Hughton and Pardew turns his nose up to David Moyes. Honestly, I hate how rubbish our fanbase has become. Incredible really, considering JFK was a huge possibility until he f***ed up the Cabaye fee. Only finished above Pards once as Everton boss Only finished above 5th once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtained Wasp Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 That's it. I'm going to self immolate outside The Strawberry if this c***'s still here in June. Quoted. Heartless bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Get over yourself, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Fucking Everton fans telling us how happy we should be with their cast offs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Get over yourself, Ian I wasn't having a go there, just thought it was a brave post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 So a 'fan' of a team whose last 2 managers have been Hughton and Pardew turns his nose up to David Moyes. Honestly, I hate how rubbish our fanbase has become. Deluded. Fuck off with that bullshit Ronaldo. Its not about being deluded, its about looking a little further than your nose tip when employing the man to guide us forward. Its no use discussing it, so sorry for being a rubbish fan, who have a different opinion than you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Damn straight. I'm sure the point's been made on here before but Martinez has inherited an absolutely fantastic spine and foundation that was laid by Moyes, particularly defensively. Martinez may well be better but he's not really proven it over a period of time, my sneaking suspicion is that when it comes to him having to buy his own defenders then his teams will struggle more. Edit: I think someone like Moyes is actually a better fit for us in our current state than someone like Martinez. He'd drill a great attitude into the team and help build a platform for someone else to take on when it comes to challenging for the higher levels. Moyes has a ceiling as he's limited by his attitude. Martinez is much more positive and has ideals that are a better fit for more ambitious sides, I'm just unsure he really has the proper skills to bring it all together, that's something he's yet to prove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would be over the moon with Moyes tbh. Won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway: http://i.imgur.com/Rx2eszv.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Damn straight. I'm sure the point's been made on here before but Martinez has inherited an absolutely fantastic spine and foundation that was laid by Moyes, particularly defensively. Martinez may well be better but he's not really proven it over a period of time, my sneaking suspicion is that when it comes to him having to buy his own defenders then his teams will struggle more. I think Martinez is class but the spine of loan players he has is a major problem for the summer. Be interesting to see how far they're prepared to go to sustain their success. Anyway, Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Would snap my own hands off for Moyes, to be honest. He's a better manager than Martinez, in my book, who's still got a lot to prove. Whoah there, non-fashionable opinion alert. Damn straight. I'm sure the point's been made on here before but Martinez has inherited an absolutely fantastic spine and foundation that was laid by Moyes, particularly defensively. Martinez may well be better but he's not really proven it over a period of time, my sneaking suspicion is that when it comes to him having to buy his own defenders then his teams will struggle more. I think Martinez is class but the spine of loan players he has is a major problem for the summer. Be interesting to see how far they're prepared to go to sustain their success. Anyway, Pardew. Is a gobshite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Is there anything more uninspiring than Moyes/Pulis to Nufc? Yeah, i know the idea of Pardew staying is worse. But fuck me, both cunts i mentioned is two negative dinosaurs and the personification of everything that is wrong with English football. I know you pretty much want anyone except Pardew, but come on. Absolutely incredible. Judging Moyes on one season makes you no better than the arseholes who bring up Pardew finishing 5th. Not many people are judging Moyes on one season, he was at Everton a long time. They played pretty dogged football for most of that time, although to be fair, they looked good last season. His failure at Man U though has shown his limitations. Football has moved on, and so have Everton. That's what we need to do as well. We played pretty dogged football at the start of his tenure because of the incredible amount of shite we had on our books. He took a team which regularly included Big Dunc, Marcus Bent, Carsley, Kilbane, Pistone, Weir and Stubbs (to name just a few) to 4th. Did we play pretty football? Occasionally, not regularly. And it was exactly the right thing to do given we didn't have a pot to piss in and were stuck with generally poor players. He then recognised that if we were to progress - or even maintain our standards in the face of several teams with infinitely superior spending power - we need to buy better footballers but smartly, with Pienaar and Arteta being the 2 prime examples. This pattern continued as the years went by, albeit we were again limited due to a distinct lack of funds. It's not just last season we started playing better, we've been improving aesthetically for the past 6 or 7 years. His problem, as was the case throughout his time here, was his mentality. His actual acquisitions improved in terms of footballing quality and we more regularly played better football, but in the crunch moments he was let down by a lack of bottle and having to settle for 1 point when we should have got 3. This is what Martinez has changed. I think Moyes would be a good appointment for you, if that does transpire. He's obviously a million times better than Pardew and I'm pretty confident he'd get you challenging for the European positions. While I wouldn't expect people to be lining the streets in celebration upon his hypothetical appointment, the question you have to ask yourself is who better would you realistically get in this summer? Your assertion that football has moved on is a bit OTT but I can see what you're getting at; but that's all well and good in an idealist world. I think Moyes would represent a very good move, if he were interested. I honestly cannot remember ever hearing Everton being described as a defensive or boring team during his tenture, only since Martinez took over and Moyes' is failing at Man Utd. For real? Same shit as Pardew, but Moyes was better at it AND was able to bring in the right players for it, unlike Pardew. If we get Moyes, we can sack Carr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I would kill to have David Moyes here. No more humpings from the mackems and a massive step up from the fraud we currently have in charge. Given his track record of doing well on a tight Budget he'd be perfect for us imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Tight budget ......................he spent £70 million on 2 players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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