David Icke - Son of God Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 @ Haris thinking Top 10 with our squad is some major achievement. He said it was par. Why is he so thrilled with a season which is par then? Clearly a WUM We've beaten Chelsea at home, Spurs away and Man United away. I'd say most are pretty thrilled with those results. Oh, and we're 8th and still within a couple of wins of the top 4. Hardly an absolutely fucking awful season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 @ Haris thinking Top 10 with our squad is some major achievement. He said it was par. Why is he so thrilled with a season which is par then? Clearly a WUM We've beaten Chelsea at home, Spurs away and Man United away. I'd say most are pretty thrilled with those results. And overall we are par for the course which shows we've dropped points where we shouldn't have. Not to mention the awful performances in the cup & the less than thrilling football. As I've said If we aren't going to compete for trophies cant' we at least try and play some attacking exciting football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I find the bedwetting in here hilarious like. ANY MANAGER BUT ALAN, ANYONE You must be happy with our current league placing/cup appearances then? Patronising tit I'm over the moon with the league performance. :up: Not happy with the cups - though the league cup was a tough draw. The most open league table in years and your 'over the moon' with 8th. Ambitious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 End of the day basically the majority on here want him sacked and a foreigner brought in, i say foreigner because nobody was able to name someone from these shores to replace and play this exciting football they want to see. Question still remains if he was sacked and someone was brought in who wasn't known for his pretty football, would people accept him since it's not Pardew. I'm beginning to think it's basically Pardew as a person who is hated and wanted out, this whole we play such boring football is just a smokescreen as 90 percent of the football teams in the country don't play with the style of football people on here want to see. This kind of football was accepted with Hughton but he was a nice genuine guy, whilst Pardew is bullshitting c***. Saw a decent question put to David Peace (author of the Damned United) a few months back that was answered like this, and I think it said something about what people look for in a manager: Q I met Shankly with my dad once outside Anfield and he did possess this messianic aura. Grown men felt blessed to be in his company and there was a kind of Puritan work ethic that drove men like Shankly, Busby and Stein. With the retirement of Ferguson who was perhaps the last of that breed, the British game now seems to be controlled by dull pragmatists and technicians. At board level, old school spivs like Louis Edwards, Ken Bates, Ron Noades, Doug Ellis and Peter Swales have been replaced by global franchise gangsters for whom each club is merely an entry in a portfolio. Yet football has never belonged to the fans, footballers and managers have always been expendable and chairmen and administrators have always been incompetent and corrupt. Gazprom United will no doubt rule world football soon but is this necessarily a bad thing? A: One thing that struck me, again and again, researching and writing Red or Dead was, as you say, that football has never belonged to the supporters, the players or the managers. The clubs have always been owned by the men with the brass. But what also struck me was the way in which men like Shankly, Stein and Busby – coming from backgrounds that were much harder and poorer than most of us (not all of us) will ever know – through their sheer bloody-mindedness and hard work, their sacrifices and struggles, taking on the owners and the directors, created clubs in their own and the supporters’ image. And even in times as dark as these, I still do find that inspirational. When you think of a manager like that at our club you would think of Robson or Keegan - they weren't just good managers, they were brilliant representatives of the club and the region, and as Peace said 'they shaped the club in their own image'. "Great managers" (Robson, Clough, Revie, Paisley, Shankley) first emerged in large numbers after the abolition of the maximum wage. They were able to scour the country searching for talent, and then assembling it at clubs in the big cities, who would have a financial advantage over those outside the cities (although the inequality was nowhere near as vast as it is today). They would often find the players themselves, and they would run the club from top to bottom. They were the club, and if successful they would be worshipped, and in this country that is what a great manager is still defined as. I think it's pretty obvious, even to a Pardew fan like me, that Alan Pardew is definitely not going to be that man for Newcastle United. However, it is also obvious to me that as long as Ashley is in charge we aren't going to have a manager like that. No one is going to be allowed that level of control. Pardew is consistently undermined in transfer windows, and it is obvious that unfortunately, for as long as Mike Ashley is here, the club will project Mike Ashley's image. But there is something to be said for the system that is put in place. I don't think it is as easy for a manager to build a dynasty on his own as it was in the 70s / 80s. There is only one manager in the league who has built his club from top to bottom. It is a global game now - you cannot have a manager and his sidekick driving round the country for players like Clough and Taylor at Forest. But the current accepted thinking in this country hasn't changed. We gave £50m to Souness, he rang up his mates like Boersma and Saunders and gave them jobs, then he rang his old club and other mates and the likes of Boumsong arrived. Then we had to spend more to sack him. Absolute insanity but common enough in football. Down at Sunderland, Short has been instructed in conventional thinking by everyone in football's best mate Niall Quinn - and has poured millions down the drain while Quinn, Bruce, and ONeill walk away with millions. Its an outdated method and clubs in this country are seeking an alternative. There is an argument that the days of truly iconic managers may soon be gone. Ashley is a loathsome individual and projects a terrible image for our club. But he has a system in place that does not rely on one man and there is something to be said for that. Pardew is never going to bestride this club like a collosus, but no one is while Ashley is here. Pardew is always going to tow the party line in interviews and his attitude to the cups, but so will any manager while Ashely is here. Pardew's style reflects the fact that we will not spend large amounts on forwards - any manager here will have to contend with this. He is though, the most important cog in the machine Ashley has put in place. He has done a good job for Newcastle United in that role, and he deserves praise for it. Important stuff bolded. Whilst I found Red or Dead a little hagiographic & at times cringe worthy I though it was a good portrayal of Shankly on a whole & a decent read. Peace seems to write football brilliantly which I previously thought was impossible. I had a look at Red or Dead but didn't think I'd be able to get away with the style unfortunately. Its a shame because after reading The Damned United, I'd have been really interested to see his portrayal of Shankly . The interview with Peace is here if you're interested: http://yerknowthedance.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/peace-in-our-time/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 It's not as bad as it looks. Although it can get tedious you can just skim read a lot of it. Bill put the kettle on. Bill got out two cups. Bill got out two tea bags from the container on the counter. Bill put the two tea bags in the two cups etc etc, it tends to take up a page so it's not too bad but there is some pretty decent stuff in there. Thanks for the link btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hobshobs Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Surely winning is playing football in "the right manner"? No it's not, and what have we won? 10 league games out of 20 this season? At the end of the day it's a results game. We're not the Newcastle of old but nor do we play an awful brand of football. I've seen much worse at NUFC. Well that's ok then. Carry on regardless because I saw Souness' sides and Allardyce's sides and Bill McGarry's sides and they played worse than Lord Pardew's. Utter turd. Lord Pardew man I've given the bloke pelters when he's deserved it, the arse end of last season for example, however I cannot reconcile the way we have performed for the majority of this season with the hatred some have for the bloke. We're six points of the Champions League places for f***'s sake. I know he's not a likeable person, I know he talks s**** but claiming you'd rather have Billy f***ing Davies than him is just laughable. The fact of the matter is that this season he has got us playing a brand of football that while not Keeganesque is effective. We retain and recycle possession well, we work hard, we create a decent number of chances and if we do take a chance we try to make sure we don't leak one at the other end and rely on our pace to play on the break. I'd like to see us knock in three or four every week but if that's not possible for whatever reason picking up the three points is a not a bad substitute for seeing a game with just the one or two goals. You can see that every week in a public park for free. Why bother with Graham Carr providing quality assets and Pardew organising them to play as he does. If we played with pace on the break Ameobi would not be seen on the pitch. Truth is even he could run from one end of the pitch to the other by the time the ball comes down out of the sky with Pardew's pish tactics. The ''hoofball'' rhetoric doesn't work this year mate Sort off my exact point. If we're not playing hoofball even less reason for Shola to be in the side. But, hey, our manager rates him. We are better this season, I personally think because headless chicken Steven taylor hasn't been in the team and because Jonas isn't taking up a place and providing no return. Perhaps joe kinnear has has a word in Pardew's lug. Kinnear ahead of Pardew for me anyday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Aye meanwhile- Incognito wants BILLY DAVIES. Perhaps a little hyperbole in 'over the moon' but looking at some of the teams we've beaten I'm very happy. We look good. Definitely hyperbole saying I want BILLY DAVIES. I'd just prefer him to the boremonger we have now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Aye meanwhile- Incognito wants BILLY DAVIES. Perhaps a little hyperbole in 'over the moon' but looking at some of the teams we've beaten I'm very happy. We look good. Definitely hyperbole saying I want BILLY DAVIES. I'd just prefer him to the boremonger we have now. It's a right arse that shit isn't it. I say i want us to be more attractive and play with more movement and flair. It suddenly means i think we should be Barcelona. It's pathetic, why there cant be middle ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If we're going to be stuck with a mediocre manager for a long time why couldn't it be one whose main failing is naively over attacking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If we're going to be stuck with a mediocre manager for a long time why couldn't it be one whose main failing is naively over attacking This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I place my bet that we would get relegated within 3 seasons after we sacked Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippity Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I place my bet that we would get relegated within 3 seasons after we sacked Pardew. This. Assuming, that is, we replaced him with Mongo from Blazing Saddles. Otherwise I'm not sure how you're so certain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 @ Haris thinking Top 10 with our squad is some major achievement. He said it was par. Why is he so thrilled with a season which is par then? Clearly a WUM We've beaten Chelsea at home, Spurs away and Man United away. I'd say most are pretty thrilled with those results. Oh, and we're 8th and still within a couple of wins of the top 4. Hardly an absolutely fucking awful season. We lost to Hull at home, and Sunderland and West Brom away. I wasn't thrilled with those results. Not sure who's said it's an 'absolutely fucking awful season'. Anyone saying that clearly isn't wired up right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 @ Haris thinking Top 10 with our squad is some major achievement. He said it was par. Why is he so thrilled with a season which is par then? Clearly a WUM We've beaten Chelsea at home, Spurs away and Man United away. I'd say most are pretty thrilled with those results. Oh, and we're 8th and still within a couple of wins of the top 4. Hardly an absolutely f***ing awful season. We lost to Hull at home, and Sunderland and West Brom away. I wasn't thrilled with those results. Not sure who's said it's an 'absolutely f***ing awful season'. Anyone saying that clearly isn't wired up right. No one is saying that from what I've seen, In fact it appears we all agree that we are content with our current league position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I place my bet that we would get relegated within 3 seasons after we sacked Pardew. Why? And that's a pretty big timeline If we hire someone like Kinnear ---> Relegation If we hire someone like Pocchetino ---> fall out with Ashley within 1 year ---> club in chaos ---> relegation, possibly after hiring some fire saving (but actually shit) managers. By the way, I don't think Ashley will spend high salary on recruiting new manager as he is fucking scary of compensation. You can kinda expect what kind of managers would be eager to work under this regime then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Our win at Old Trafford is being devalued by week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Our win at Old Trafford is being devalued by week. This season was the first time ever that I was really looking forward to playing them at Old Trafford. They've fallen a long way in just 6 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippity Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I place my bet that we would get relegated within 3 seasons after we sacked Pardew. Why? And that's a pretty big timeline If we hire someone like Kinnear ---> Relegation If we hire someone like Pocchetino ---> fall out with Ashley within 1 year ---> club in chaos ---> relegation, possibly after hiring some fire saving (but actually s***) managers. By the way, I don't think Ashley will spend high salary on recruiting new manager as he is f***ing scary of compensation. You can kinda expect what kind of managers would be eager to work under this regime then. Man, since you put it like that, Mongo is an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I didn't deny that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sifu Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Our win at Old Trafford is being devalued by week. Ah, don't be taking this away from us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippity Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Our win at Old Trafford is being devalued by week. Ah, don't be taking this away from us! Scoring 1 at Old Trafford is so last year, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Man U have been great for betting against this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think I'd take any Premiership manager apart from Asdaprice and Pulis ahead of Pardew. And a few of the Championship ones too. Petty much same as me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Add Mark Hughes to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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