NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. I know what you are saying but I just dont want this man anywhere near transfers. We wotn be buying anyone anyway. So there is nothing to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. I think it's far more complicated than that. Firstly, the manager doesn't have time to watch enough players, so he must rely on scouts who he trusts to have a massive input. Secondly he doesn't know enough about finance and negotiation to do that side of things either. So yes, he should have a massive say, and he should probably be more important than the other people in the 'committee'. But I assume that is basically what happens at the majority of clubs anyway. You actively tried to disagree there and couldn't quite manage it. Such a strange lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's called having a discussion like, you need to get away from this childish view of who's winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Discussions fall apart usually when you come into them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's like you're in a constant battle to offer opposition to even the most basic common sense. Common sense is winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Manager should always have final say on transfers. That is not me supporting Pardew btw, but I always believe the manager should be in control of the players he wants to sign, also the manager should be using the available resources (i.e. scouting) for him to make judgement on players. This I agree with. Even discounting the fact that it's sensible for the incoming players to reflect the style and mentality, ultimately the manager should know more about the game than anyone else at the club, anyway. Don't get me wrong here, I'd rather Pardew was having as little influence on the personnel as possible, but if he HAS to be here, I'd rather it was him picking which players we bring in than anyone else at NUFC. I think it's far more complicated than that. Firstly, the manager doesn't have time to watch enough players, so he must rely on scouts who he trusts to have a massive input. Secondly he doesn't know enough about finance and negotiation to do that side of things either. So yes, he should have a massive say, and he should probably be more important than the other people in the 'committee'. But I assume that is basically what happens at the majority of clubs anyway. How does a manager not have enough time to watch players? Managers not being involved in transfers is a fairly new thing, all managers used to be involved in the transfer process, so why now are they too busy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It's like you're in a constant battle to offer opposition to even the most basic common sense. Common sense is winning. That's Ian, always against the grain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Discussions fall apart usually when you come into them tbh. neesy's fucking scathing lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Turned well angry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Discussions fall apart usually when you come into them tbh. It's like you're in a constant battle to offer opposition to even the most basic common sense. Common sense is winning. Neesy, fuck off. Ronaldo, I don't know why you're obsessed with me being in opposition to anything. I was just adding a bit to the debate about the role of the manager. I know you would prefer to just state a pithy sentence about everything in your amazing style and just have the thread end there, but life's not like that on a forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It should be a fairly straightforward process - Ashley - Confirms the budget available then keeps his nose out of it. Pardew & Scout/s (Carr) - Decide on what players the squad needs, this doesn't mean what players we can just get on the cheap then worry about where they fit later. Scout/s (Carr) - Looks for players he thinks are suitable for the squad needs and will fit into the budget. Scout/s (Carr) - Reports back to Pardew with the players he thinks will fit the various criteria. Scout/s (Carr) & Pardew - Watch the players a few more times so they can agree/disagree. Then those they agree on we try and purchase, this is where it falls down though as we don't seem to have anyone to negotiate. The last bloke in charge of this was a useless moron who failed in both incoming and outgoing transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 but life's not like that on a forum. Almost sig worthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Signing players now has to be a team effort. The days are gone when managers could be told 'this is your transfer budget, spend it how you like'. The international nature of scouting, the negotiating with agents, the salary demands of players, the competition for the better players, the huge amounts of money that are involved, all mean that it needs more time and expertise than one man can acquire. I'd agree that there's no point in signing a player who a manager doesn't want, but what generally seems to happen is a list of targets get drawn up, which is approved be the manager. Who the club ends up signing is then in the hands of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 It should be a fairly straightforward process - Ashley - Confirms the budget available then keeps his nose out of it. Pardew & Scout/s (Carr) - Decide on what players the squad needs, this doesn't mean what players we can just get on the cheap then worry about where they fit later. Scout/s (Carr) - Looks for players he thinks are suitable for the squad needs and will fit into the budget. Scout/s (Carr) - Reports back to Pardew with the players he thinks will fit the various criteria. Scout/s (Carr) & Pardew - Watch the players a few more times so they can agree/disagree. Then those they agree on we try and purchase, this is where it falls down though as we don't seem to have anyone to negotiate. The last bloke in charge of this was a useless moron who failed in both incoming and outgoing transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Signing players now has to be a team effort. The days are gone when managers could be told 'this is your transfer budget, spend it how you like'. The international nature of scouting, the negotiating with agents, the salary demands of players, the competition for the better players, the huge amounts of money that are involved, all mean that it needs more time and expertise than one man can acquire. I'd agree that there's no point in signing a player who a manager doesn't want, but what generally seems to happen is a list of targets get drawn up, which is approved be the manager. Who the club ends up signing is then in the hands of others. I also think that modern managers will have to learn to be more flexible with the players they end up getting. If they aren't exactly the one, or they don't fancy them, they need to get over it and get the best out of every player. When this doesn't happen it's the biggest weakness of the collective approach to buying players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I also think that modern managers will have to learn to be more flexible with the players they end up getting. If they aren't exactly the one, or they don't fancy them, they need to get over it and get the best out of every player. When this doesn't happen it's the biggest weakness of the collective approach to buying players. great that we have the absolute opposite type of manager to fit this scenario huh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-scrap-director-football-6859496 Newcastle United scrap director of football model as they plan for next season Mar 21, 2014 10:10 By Mark Douglas Newcastle United are ready to scrap the director of football model as they finally begin to construct plans for next season. Alan Pardew has revealed United held their first transfer summit this week and have identified “realistic” transfer targets as the process of squad rebuilding starts in earnest. A huge rebuilding job is set to take place in the summer with Pardew and chief scout Graham Carr working from a virtual clean slate in the close season. They have been told they have a substantial transfer budget, although Pardew said any deals would need to “make sense financially”. Equally interesting was Pardew’s insistence there have been “no discussions” on a new director of football and The Journal understands the club are understood have no plans in place to appoint a successor to Joe Kinnear. There are plans afoot to bring in a new managing-director in the summer, however. The clearest indication yet of the club’s decision to proceed without another football executive – and Pardew in charge – is the fact the first round of transfer talks took this place. Pardew said: “I’m pretty sure about what I think we need. “We’ve started that process, started it last week, so the process of bringing players in here is now very much on-going. “In terms of will I look at things before the end of the season, yes, I will, with certain players.” “Myself, Graham Carr, Mike Ashley and our scouting team had a meeting and we have targets we need to put our minds on. “In terms of realistic targets I think it’s fair to say they are. We need to present it to Mike at some stage that it makes sense financially. This club needs to wipe its nose.” The immediate priority for Pardew is to get this season back on track, with the Newcastle boss acutely aware he needs to fulfil his pre-season objective of finishing in the top ten. Serving the second match of his three-game stadium ban, he will watch Saturday’s match against Crystal Palace from the training ground. Yesterday he invited local boys club bosses to the ground as part of his self-imposed penance for insulting Manchester City Manuel Pelligrini. Despite saying he would learn from that, his transgression at Hull weeks later means he is not allowed into the stadium on Saturday, when John Carver will again take control. Pardew added: “Of course I’ve watched games on the TV before and I get a fair indication of what the players are doing. I know my team so I’m getting a little bit back from the screen because I can read the body language from the pictures. “The mood and the atmosphere is something I’m not getting so therefore I’m relying on John and the conversations I had with him we were pretty much of a similar view.” Pardew also confirmed Newcastle may have top scorer Loic Remy back as early as next week. Hatem Ben Arfa will return to the fray this week while Davide Santon missed training with tonsilitis, which will allow Paul Dummett to continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-scrap-director-football-6859496 Newcastle United scrap director of football model as they plan for next season Mar 21, 2014 10:10 By Mark Douglas Newcastle United are ready to scrap the director of football model as they finally begin to construct plans for next season. Alan Pardew has revealed stopped here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Ooohh we have identified "realistic" targets have we. In other words, freebies and cheap French players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 However, Ben Arfa could start the fixture on the bench. “I need weigh it up with everything else,” Newcastle manager Alan Pardew told the Gazette. “Hatem needs to deliver. I’m concerned with his assists and his goals. He needs to produce for us. “The last few games he’s played, there weren’t as many as there should have been. But I think his confidence is better, and I hope that part of it improves.” Pardew is a total clueless bellend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 "The club needs to wipe it's nose." What an annoying human being this man is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Stopped at "realistic transfer targets". Question for the FCB: where are the goals coming from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 However, Ben Arfa could start the fixture on the bench. “I need weigh it up with everything else,” Newcastle manager Alan Pardew told the Gazette. “Hatem needs to deliver. I’m concerned with his assists and his goals. He needs to produce for us. “The last few games he’s played, there weren’t as many as there should have been. But I think his confidence is better, and I hope that part of it improves.” Why not apply that logic to our striker : Shola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Why not apply that logic to our striker : Shola Apart from the Fulham game when is the last time Shola played? It's not like Pardew even picks Shola any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Why not apply that logic to our striker : Shola Apart from the Fulham game when is the last time Shola played? It's not like Pardew even picks Shola any more. Even though you said "Apart from the Fulham game" Shola was in fact picked for that game and that was our last game, so maybe Pardew does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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